Scripting News: Bush and Cheney must resign (Scripting News)
Jake
· 1 year ago
Not a chance in the world Bush and/or Cheney resigns. Maybe you're being sarcastic and I'm missing it but its not happening.
dave
· 1 year ago
Not sarcastic, I mean it, and I don't think it'll be up to them in the end. I think they'll be forced out. Yes it can happen. Let's look at it again in a week.
Jake
· 1 year ago
Forced out by whom? The Democrats? They would have already done it? The Republicans? They were angrier during the immigration stuff. The public? Bush's approval ratings have been abysmal since 2006. Not going to happen but I'll certainly tip my cap to you in a week if you're right.
Rex Hammock
· 1 year ago
If we had a parliamentary form of government, I think there would be a real chance of a "motion of no confidence" and a resignation or dissolution of government. While we don't, I think you're correct -- it's extremely obvious that Bush/Cheney have no credibility or influence in what's going to happen with this legislation. I think it's all up to Pelosi/Reid to hammer out a plan -- or to step away an let whatever is going to happen, happen. Both the left and right hate this plan. That seems like real bi-partisanship to me.
Vivek Hutheesing
· 1 year ago
This is a bold but reasonable prediction.
neekolas
· 1 year ago
I wish it were plausible, I really do. It just seems hard to imagine the most power-hungry administration in recent history giving up an ounce of it without impeachment. I'm also not sure it would help protect the republican party, it force McPalin to move further away from Bush on the issues, and no politician wants to radically change their positions six weeks out from an election. We're stuck with these guys till January.
Stephen Michael Kellat
· 1 year ago
The Senator from Searchlight, Harry Reid, is not all that popular in his home state of Nevada right now. If Senator Reid and Speaker Pelosi hammer out a deal that is unattractive for far too many folks, that puts a hefty chunk of the Electoral College in jeopardy. Neither of them has really good options but both could severely harm Senator Obama's chances depending upon whatever course of action (if any) is taken.
jnolan
· 1 year ago
Can we make it a package deal and demand that Sen Dodd and Rep Frank resign as well? How about going back and getting retroactive resignations from Pres Carter and Clinton, HUD Secretary Cuomo, Fed Chief Greenspan, Comptroller Ludwig, and Rep Rahm Emanuel. While we are at it let's go after Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick, and Jim Johnson too. In addition to Sen Dodd, at the top of the list for Fannie/Freddie lobbyist money, Senators Kerry, Clinton, Obama, and Rep Kanjorski round out the top 5 list of money from Fannie and Freddie.
cshotton
· 1 year ago
Not gonna happen. That's my prediction. I owe you a box of Chips Ahoy if I am wrong. You owe me a stack of Fig Newtons if I'm right. K?
motts mcgregor
· 1 year ago
Dave, we are talking here about the two most shameless men in the world. There is an infinitessimally small chance of them resigning.
Bryan "bytehead" Price
· 1 year ago
As much as I like it, I don't see it happening.
Look at what has happened with Palin and Troopergate. At first there was supposed to be full cooperation. Now, absolutely no cooperation, they are going to have to be headbutted to get anything out of them. And I'm not sure that they will survive the headbutting. That same mentality still exists in the administration, even with Rove gone. The whole situation could have been handled a lot better if she had been properly vetted. As a former (different) state worker, I've seen my share of scandals in office, and I don't see ANY state employees jumping up and done to vote for Palin/McCain '08.
I don't see McCain putting his head out for this. This is literally his last attempt for anything political. He can't be that stupid. /shrug
I think a Yes vote for this bail-out is going to be toxic, no matter if it actually passes or not. This close to the election, with all those Representatives up for reelection? There's no time to make the voters forget. I think this is the October Surprise where nobody wins.
Eric Parker
· 1 year ago
Yes, I'm sure they'll resign. But they'll be impeached first. And a grateful nation will anoint Obama emperor. Obama will reverse global warming in his first 100 days, imprison Bush and Cheney for war crimes, and Barbara Streisand will be named Secretary of State. We'll all have universal health care and no one will have to work because the new Democrat super-majority in the Congress will outlaw poverty...and disease. Every child will have a free college education. They'll all become trial lawyers and we'll all get rich on the lawsuits they'll win against big corporations. It all starts with Bush and Cheney resigning. Next week.
Will Cate
· 1 year ago
Touche, Eric. (and Dave thinks I'm a troll?)
achernow
· 1 year ago
Dave,
While I totally agree with what you wrote here and on HuffPost, I don't see them actually resigning. But, if they do, I don't think MPD would be ready for the party on State St.
-Adam
stiber
· 1 year ago
I think a lousy (if we're lucky; if not, horrific) plan will pass, and the associated Congresspeople will then proceed to convince their constituents that the plan is a good idea (and, after all, it's all very complex and involves math and so is beyond them anyway).
Doofusdan
· 1 year ago
Hmm, I'm not so sure. For starters, I read the Politico article as saying that the rebellion wasn't about whether the bailout plan was good for the country; it was about the lack of political positioning and spin. Examples:
1. "Cheney and the others made policy arguments for the proposal instead of political arguments that would help lawmakers explain a vote for the plan to constituents."
2. "No one sold it," one member present said. "Nobody has figured out how to sell it when you’re knocking on voters' doors."
I was actually kind of deflated when I realized that's what the rebellion was about. Bush/Cheney actually tried talking about substance, and they get pilloried by house GOP for not spending enough time on spin? Sigh. Talk about the wrong rebellion to have....
Ultimately I don't see any way B/C resign over this. I frequently have this "I don't have the foggiest idea how this makes sense" reaction to Dave's thoughts, but then after thinking about it for a while I can see it. This time around, even after sleeping on it, I just can't grok it.
andyswan
· 1 year ago
Why would Bush and Cheney resign due to the failure of the Fannie/Freddie divisions of the Democratic party?
This is....quite....a.....leap. If there is an amount you'd be interested in wagering on this "absolutely sure" possibility, I will certainly take the other side of that trade. In fact, you can have "resignation prior to Nov 4", not just this week!
Donny Bahama
· 1 year ago
What's the point, Dave? Like Bush and Cheney (and McCain an the rest of the GOP snakepit) can't profit from this even if B-C resign? I just don't see your logic here.
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Look at what has happened with Palin and Troopergate. At first there was supposed to be full cooperation. Now, absolutely no cooperation, they are going to have to be headbutted to get anything out of them. And I'm not sure that they will survive the headbutting. That same mentality still exists in the administration, even with Rove gone. The whole situation could have been handled a lot better if she had been properly vetted. As a former (different) state worker, I've seen my share of scandals in office, and I don't see ANY state employees jumping up and done to vote for Palin/McCain '08.
I don't see McCain putting his head out for this. This is literally his last attempt for anything political. He can't be that stupid. /shrug
I think a Yes vote for this bail-out is going to be toxic, no matter if it actually passes or not. This close to the election, with all those Representatives up for reelection? There's no time to make the voters forget. I think this is the October Surprise where nobody wins.
Obama will reverse global warming in his first 100 days, imprison Bush and Cheney for war crimes, and Barbara Streisand will be named Secretary of State. We'll all have universal health care and no one will have to work because the new Democrat super-majority in the Congress will outlaw poverty...and disease. Every child will have a free college education. They'll all become trial lawyers and we'll all get rich on the lawsuits they'll win against big corporations. It all starts with Bush and Cheney resigning. Next week.
While I totally agree with what you wrote here and on HuffPost, I don't see them actually resigning. But, if they do, I don't think MPD would be ready for the party on State St.
-Adam
1. "Cheney and the others made policy arguments for the proposal instead of political arguments that would help lawmakers explain a vote for the plan to constituents."
2. "No one sold it," one member present said. "Nobody has figured out how to sell it when you’re knocking on voters' doors."
I was actually kind of deflated when I realized that's what the rebellion was about. Bush/Cheney actually tried talking about substance, and they get pilloried by house GOP for not spending enough time on spin? Sigh. Talk about the wrong rebellion to have....
Ultimately I don't see any way B/C resign over this. I frequently have this "I don't have the foggiest idea how this makes sense" reaction to Dave's thoughts, but then after thinking about it for a while I can see it. This time around, even after sleeping on it, I just can't grok it.
This is....quite....a.....leap. If there is an amount you'd be interested in wagering on this "absolutely sure" possibility, I will certainly take the other side of that trade. In fact, you can have "resignation prior to Nov 4", not just this week!