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Re: Casting in late 2007 (Scripting News)

jurjanpaul — Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:01:08 -0000

Ouch... what was I thinking calling Atom RSS (even on Dave Winer's blog no less...), as if I never read hundreds of blogs about the distinction and their respective histories... In the UI of http://picasaweb.google.com it is actually called RSS though :-(. Anyway, I don't expect FlickrFan to work with Picasa very soon :-)

Re: Casting in late 2007 (Scripting News)

Ben — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:02:16 -0000

I hadn't figured on the lack of OPML, but yes that is nasty. Have you had a look in the back end to see how it handles it (I imagine via the obfuscated windows media database stuff).

And yes to your comment about the way podcasts are treated separately. I like that they are separated from the rest of my library (so they don't play on global shuffle), but hate that I can't playlist them.

Re: Casting in late 2007 (Scripting News)

dave — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:49:19 -0000

Some of what Chumby does is RSS. I don't use Flock, so I don't know what its doing. Of course the users' point of view is very important (and on-topic), but -- tech stuff is very much on-topic on Scripting News, it's a blog by a techie (me).

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hardaway — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:44:15 -0000

Caveat: I don't know what I'm talking about. But...I get Flickr feeds through my Flock browser. How does that work? I also get other media feeds that way. Is that RSS? Also, what about Chumby? Is a widget ;ole a feed? A variant of a feed? Since I know nothing a scripting or programming, I'm giving you the user's POV.

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Dave — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:22:35 -0000

Ben, that would be good if being marked as a podcast didn't make the file less usable on the Zune, ie not playlistable and requiring silly extra navigation to get from file to file. Not being able to continuously play podcasts really bites. If they just treated them the same as music on the player, I'd use it. Oh, and the Zune client can't import OPML so someone like me would have to add 150 feeds one at a time. Pretty much a deal breaker for any new tool if it doesn't import OPML.

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crafterofcode — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:37:20 -0000

Very nice! Not enough to convince me to buy a Zune (I'm too happy with my iPod touch), but pretty sweet nonetheless. At least it gives iTunes something to catch up with (I'd really like per-feed options; the global setting in iTunes bites).

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dave — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:52:59 -0000

I do. Always have.

And starting in 2002, my software worked both sides.

Only recently have others been doing this, notably Google Reader.

Just like all good computers are also development systems, all good aggregators should also be blogging tools.

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chadmalik — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:39:17 -0000

OK so what type of RSS user wants to publish AND subscribe? maybe all of them?

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Ben — Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:27:29 -0000

Madly enough, the Zune client is quite an amazing podcatcher.
It has per-feed options for how many shows to retain, and also whether to keep them on the device once they have been played.

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Jeff Tupholme — Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:44:06 -0000

I'm interested in the formative standards around geo/location markup in RSS, GeoRSS/W3C Geo. I guess the natural way to see these is as metadata embellishments for whatever's in the feed already, but when does the relationship flip over and the standard parts of the feed become metadata about the location?

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graemehunter — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:50:51 -0000

I still feel hard done by on the catching front, particularly for podcasts. I just don't think I've used a client that was beautifully easy to use. Itunes is a pain for it frankly. Amarok does some things better (and is my choice now I'm all Linux), but I still find it too quirky sometimes.

In a perfect world, I want something that can draw all my podcasts from one list (that I can maintain online), I want it to be able to track what I've listened to, that lets me add a new podcast as easily as I can add a feed to Google Reader, and that lets me sync it all to my mobile device. Actually I think I want Google Reader (or something like it) for maintaining my podcasts.

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Mark Smith — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:49:01 -0000

I think you're right about Twitter. If you had the chance to become the defacto way of subscription based media exchange, you should probably go for it.

Re: Casting in late 2007 (Scripting News)

Mark Smith — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 05:20:04 -0000

Casting your location was just the first thing that came to mind after reading your post, and I thought it was quite weird since it kind of implies a map could become a catcher. So I was wondering whether there were any other odd things that could act as catchers, and then there is Facebook, which I don't really understand either to be honest, yet people seem to be casting events they are attending, bands they are fans of, gifts they have given, games they are playing etc. It seems to me that the generic file catching ability could be embeded in many things. The payloads could be very big or indeed very small.

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Niek Hockx — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:54:54 -0000

Dave, this is a funny post. You already knew what "enclosures" in an RSS feed could do for time-shifted file delivery, when you first came up with the idea. When Adam Curry was still only focused on delivering audio, you already took it a step further and created a system which practically took care of... well, any kinda file. It's just too bad that hardly anyone at the time recognized what you really did.

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Jay Fienberg — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:59:29 -0000

From 2003--2005, my RSS 2.0 feed enclosed m3u playlists (these then linked to multiple mp3 files). Today, I would do this using the XSPF playlist standard.

Sharing playlists and/or doing podcasts as multiple audio segments (in separate files) has been a really natural use cases to me. But, since no reader / 'catcher has supported this, I've stopped doing this for now.

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williamt — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:54:57 -0000

I have nothing really to say really.
Just wanted to test out this commenting system (sorry).

You can use torrents for legal matters you know... but of course that would be stupid ;)

Re: Casting in late 2007 (Scripting News)

shiva — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:02:39 -0000

Zooomr image, actually have meta data in them. Of course, it is difficult to pull them out, since you need to download them to get meta data. But then, 90% of them don't populate EXIF or IPTC for zooomr to support them in the rss (Also, Kris is struggling with fixing bugs .. and getting a stable system)

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benedett — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:58:43 -0000

For videocasting, WordPress + the PodPress plugin works OK.

I also use www.videobomb.com to create a videocasting feed for videos I didn't create myself. It's not ideal. I wish del.icio.us had better videocasting features; I actually maintain the feed for one of my podcasts with del.icio.us.

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Doug McCaughan — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:55:08 -0000

Flickr.com offers rss feeds for pictures and a separate feed for comments on pictures.

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jfedor — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:47:33 -0000

I suppose fits under #5 Lifecasting/event stream aggregation -- products like Onaswarm (my fave) or FriendFeed. Then you get FF in Facebook get this bizarre mirror in a mirror event happening.

Also there's the personal feed aggregation/interest casting -- stuff like RSS Mix or Google Reader Shared Feed.

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Chris Anderson — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:44:23 -0000

Podcasting is great and useful. I'm not big on entertainment, so I like to listen to ITConversations when I walk the dogs (instead of music). There is plenty of podcast content.

There is more and more music content using RSS as well. My website Grabb.it provides RSS feeds of every playlist that ends up on the screen.

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Garrick Van Buren — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:26:24 -0000

the iPhoto - Photocasting is primarily the poorly supported apple-wallpapers namespace.

Thankfully, iPhoto also understands Yahoo's MediaRSS, (Flickr feeds) - and I've had success in getting iPhoto to parse feeds using the mediarss namespace.

1. http://lists.apple.com/arch...

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mykoleary — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:23:06 -0000

Full Disclosure - I helped write the application I'm about to describe. Network Magic (networkmagic.com) includes a 'remote access' website which gives access to all files and folders shared with the application from a bundled website. That part of the product is called Net2Go, and on supported routers, it does the job of setting up your site, forwarding ports in your router, and maintaining DynDNS. Each publicly accessible web share has its own RSS feed with the Media RSS NS, as well as some custom NS tags for our own photocasting application. The site itself has its own feed which details the shares that exist so you can subscribe to see when a site has added new shares. Non photo files show up in the feed as enclsures.

Re: Casting in late 2007 (Scripting News)

dave — Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:22:48 -0000

Not at all, your comment caused serious thought over here. Not sure I agree that's location casting, because it seems to be casting implies some kind of metadata treatment. I think that's the big missed opportunity of Twitter. What would be the harm, seriously, in allowing payloads, and passing them through the RSS? And oh how incredibly enabling that would be. I'm getting close to the point where I'm going to ask the big infrastructure companies to take a look at this. It's such an obvious area of exploration, I wouldn't invest there myself because it's going to be such an active and competitive area. If I were in Twitter's shoes I'd get something up asap. But then I'm not Twitter. Not sure to put a happy smiley there or a sad one. :-)