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Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

livewire120v — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 22:51:07 -0000

If windows 7 is the new XP, I am through with microsoft. I do not know where people get the XP kick because all I did was fix my (and everybody elses) BSOD, BSOD, BSOD. Sorry, I had a flash back. I have 3 systems with Vista and no problems. This was MS last chance with me and they pulled it off.
I have no problem with going to Linux if MS screws up, just not Apple. Yuk

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Fritzo — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:03:26 -0000

I know I'm late to this conversation, but I just had to add something:

The reason you were having an issue with not being able to see your wireless adapter on your Eee PC had nothing to with WinXP. There's a switch on that PC that turns the wireless card on/off in order to save battery time. If it wasn't showing up, you had it "off", so Windows didn't know it was there. Once you turn it on, the wireless icon will show up and you can continue on your merry way.

So, this was more of a "I didn't read my owner's manual" than "WinXP didn't tell me what to do" problem.

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

rasmasyean — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:41:04 -0000

Also, check this out...

Vista - a $6 Billion Dollars Operating System
http://news.softpedia.com/n...

I don't really know what the markup of it is but let's assume that they make $100 off each license on average (which is a conservative estimate wouldn't you say?).

If my math is correct, that's $18 billion dollars as of the last public sales figures.
If my math is correct again...that's TRIPLE the initial costs!

Of course they likely spent a little more after-market like for Jerry Seinfeld and stuff like that but I don't think it’s anywhere near $12 billion dollars.

And Bill Gates says that's the best billions he has spent. Phht, can you relate to that???

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

rasmasyean — Sat, 06 Sep 2008 18:08:12 -0000

Check the statistics...

OK here’s some rough calculations:

17.85% of internet users are Vista
http://marketshare.hitslink...

1.46 billion internet users
http://www.internetworldsta...

Assuming the usage rate is consistent around the world…
1.46 billion * 17.85% = 260 million Vista internet users

The actually user base would be significantly less (i.e. 180 million as per MS sales) than the above number only if for some reason, Vista users surf the internet WAY MORE than all other OS's to skew the percentage up to 17.85%. It’s probably more likely that that some Vista users don’t use the internet much because it’s for work mostly. Hence there is likely more than 260 million Vista users.

Hitslink logs statistics in the “rich” (and more regulated) nations. Here Vista adoption is probably held back a little by expense. So that could mean that Vista adoption in other “poorer” (Gov’t don’t give a crap) nations is much greater than 17.85% since you can like buy it at the local fruit shop for like $1, etc.

http://www.nationmaster.com...

Hey, if you include ALL of Asia? 500 million Vista users??? ;)

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Dave — Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:00:58 -0000

I feel that it is a shame that they (Microsoft) just cannot spend a bit more time fixing windows xp, instead of bringing out a new windows version's like vista that need more and more fixers and patch's.

I have been getting used to ubuntu and found it to be very good so far.

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

jobol — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:16:51 -0000

My first disqus comment. As I mentioned on FriendFeed, I agree that there really is no need for new OSes. Linux is a good example, it has just a version number that keeps incrementing. It'll probably always be called Linux. An exception might be if MS makes a complete rewrite, perhaps a windows-less OS, is it the promise of Midori?

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

dave — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:46:26 -0000

Everyone has their a point of view. To you Microsoft seems very noisy and in touch with bloggers. To me there is silence. Neither view is right or wrong, or invalid.

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Bill — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:43:53 -0000

Your point that there is nothing but silence coming from MS is demonstrably incorrect. Check out blogs.msdn.com, blogs.technet.com, and channel9.com for starters. Channel 9, Scoble's brain child, is especially good - several very long videos drilling into the core archetecture of the system. The two blogs.* sites host several thousand employee blogs.

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Bill — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:39:59 -0000

How did MS abandon the desktop by creating C#?

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Mario L — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:29:50 -0000

I may be naive and green on the issue but from what I have seen, Vista is more stable than XP. Granted, the media and public perception has not been so welcoming on the OS and on Microsoft. Some people say that Vista can be equated to Windows ME, does anyone think that Windows 7 will be the new XP?

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Brian Baldridge — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:33:07 -0000

Could Vista fail? How do you define failure?

Vista is the second most popular OS in history. Right after XP.

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

ampressman — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:19:35 -0000

I boot my Macbook Pro into Windows Vista for one purpose only - to play the latest version of Civilization that never came out for the Mac.
p.s. I got my copy of Vista marked down 80% at a CompUSA store closing sale...

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Darren — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:50:42 -0000

I think there might be great improvement in operating systems. Just not ones based on the same concepts from the 60's and 70's. Completely breaking away might make for an exciting revolution, but it won't happen with Windows or UNIX compatibility.

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

David Terei — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:33:40 -0000

I understand your argument that Vista is a dead OS, even microsoft seems to be trying to get rid of it asap and move onto windows 7. I don't understand why this is a problem so much though? I'm very OS agnostic now, both in terms of which MS OS or using Linux or Mac. I use all three regularly (home = xp, vista, work = mac, linux). All the apps I use are cross platform and easy to change between platform with.

I use vista since I purchased a new laptop about 5 months ago and quite like it. It does have problems but the main issue I think is that it offers few compelling reasons to upgrade to it over XP. However I do prefer it over XP, its just not worth the hassle or money to change to it unless you are reinstalling your OS anyway.

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Brent Ashley — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:31:29 -0000

Hi Dave!

I think you should load up eeeXubuntu on your eee instead of windows. It is a Linux distribution specifically bundled with all the eeePC drivers. You can even install it onto a 4G SDHC card and still boot into Windows from the SSD when you want to.

I have used it with great success as a media machine. The Amarok music player even recognizes when an iPod is plugged in and connects to it smoothly.

It won't be long before you don't care to boot up on the Win partition any more.

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Cthulu — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 12:01:43 -0000

For free???
Ubuntu, Redhat, Mandriva, SUSE - the 'large distributions' certainly pay developers.

As for the so called free distros, developers are already working for free, and of course would welcome your donations.

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Konrad — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:47:36 -0000

Dave, this is a really ill thought out piece in many ways but I will just point out two.

While XP had big problems with malware Vista has much better security and is in fact the most secure OS around as proved recently by Dino Dai Zovi at MacBook Pro Hijack.

Also points 4 and 6 plainly contradict one another.

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

richb-hanover — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:07:51 -0000

And there was just note on Slashdot about a report from the Black Hat briefing in Las Vegas (http://it.slashdot.org/it/0....

The assertion is that Vista's security has been pretty thoroughly broken. Read it yourself...

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Loren Heiny — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:32:58 -0000

As a developer I also use Vista 64-bit on a MacPro (desktop) with 10GB RAM and it runs extremely fast and reliably. The one drawback I have to this set up is that the baseline MacPro doesn't include WIFI and if you want to add it you have to have Apple do it. Other than that, it's a great machine. Drivers work. Performance is solid. The question is on the notebook side whether the performance and resources will catch up with Vista. With Intel's push now around Atom processors and the popularity of machines like the EEE PC, XP may be better timed than Vista.

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

dave — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:15:10 -0000

Thanks for the lecture. Geez Louise.

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

lemon obrien — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 17:18:09 -0000

strange you had problems with xp wireless; it's probably a driver/installation issue with the wireless card/component.

i think vista is already dead.

mickysoft abandoned the desktop by creating C#; it needs to do what apple did when moving from 9 to X.
except mickysoftt has nothing new.

xp/vista sucks not just b/c of malware; but that is a good case; it sucks because the os is sooo jimmy-rigged together.

and for your information dave; not much is being done through "just" a browser.

like hybrid cars, we're creating hybrid apps.

check itunes for example.

and; if you check apple's os/x developer's list; it has tons of action going on. so, like me, most developers are using macs with vmware; and are either porting to os x, or just using vmware as a dev environment.

you think about your desktop stuff again;

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

heavyboots — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:03:11 -0000

@Artur: "Mac OS X is not an option, I like gaming and cant afford two pcs."

Apologies if you know this already, but if not FYI you can install and boot Windows XP (SP2) on any current Intel Mac using the Bootcamp Utility in Leopard. We've got a MacBook with a 2gb Bootcamp partition on it here at work solely for doing Internet Exploder website testing. You could easily make a games partition, particularly if you have a copy of Windows XP laying around from your previous PC...

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Jim Roepcke — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:43:43 -0000

You said: "I was having a bunch of problems with XP, one of which was related to the fact that it came of age before wifi did."

Microsoft doesn't deserve a free pass on crappy wifi integration.

It's easy to forget how long ago wifi came about, but in fact 802.11b took off in summer 1999 with the introduction of the first Apple iBook. XP came out in fall 2001, so Microsoft had plenty of time to integrate wifi into the OS and the help text.

Jim

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Brit — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:07:28 -0000

"I think Microsoft is in bed with Hollywood, and when they improve an OS they're adding more locks and security cameras for the entertainment industry to control us and spy on us"

I don't know if you're referring to something specific here, but I agree 100%. Just try getting Netflix's 'Watch Anywhere' to work on a custom built computer with a nice graphics card. Apparently, DRM software in Vista can tell Netflix (and subsequently Hollywood) whether you are watching their content in 'too high quality':
http://britg.com/2008/06/25...

Re: Could Vista fail? (Scripting News)

Brian Heys — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:40:34 -0000

Vista has the smell of death only in the sense that Windows Me did. When the next generation of Windows comes out, Vista will probably be replaced, and swept under the carpet just as silently.

My laptop runs Vista. Originally, it was the 64-bit version, but I asked HP to send me a replacement 32-bit version instead, as 64-bit wouldn't work with any of my existing peripherals. Since then, I've been running 32-bit Vista just fine - for almost a year now.

That's it - It's fine. Not great, not amazing ... just okay.