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Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

Harl Delos — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:07:24 -0000

That's a clip from MSNBC, and it's the same clip they are showing on the air, so if anyone clipped it, it had to have been someone from MSNBC. I believe the clip is valid, but others may not.

Yesterday on CSPAN 2 (or maybe CSPAN) they had a campaign event with Mitt Romney talking to a crowd about Castro. He was in Little Havana, maybe that was the event, I'm not sure. Anyhow, afterwards the cameras were still running as he was walking through the crowd, and someone asked him about something McCain had said about his positions. He responded by saying something like "that's because McCain is a liar" and a reporter nearby followed up, saying like "You just called McCain a liar", and Mitt said he withdraws his comments, and ordered the reporter not to report what he'd said.

But I guess he didn't realize that everybody watching CSPAN heard him, too. Unfiortunately, I appear to have been the only one paying tuned to that network, as I haven't heard anything about it anywhere else.

I think this is the first election governed by "Mel Gibson's Law", or perhaps it's the "American's Funniest Video" law. There's always a camera running, and if you aren't VERY careful, the truth will leak out.

I don't like "oily" candidates. Mitt Romney seems to have joined the Position of the Week Club, and Rudy seems to be flat-out dirty. There's much about Huckabee to dislike, but the guy has a sense of humor, and his statements seem to be consistent with themselves. I started out disliking Hillary, and not remembering why, but she and Bill keep reminding me.

I don't think Obama has the administrative experience he needs, and I don't like McCain's hawkish sentiments, but at this point, I'm hoping VERY hard that we get to choose between those two. If it's Mitt and Hillary to choose between, I'm not going to be very happy about it.

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

Nate Koechley — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:07:55 -0000

I loved reading this. Great analysis, great insights.

I'm ready to remember, too!

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

ethioblog — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:39:29 -0000

I couldn't agree more with you, Dave.

I'm sure you have heard this, yesterday, I think it was, Clinton tried to associate Obama with Jesse Jackson by way of the SC primary Jesse won 20 years ago or so.

Where is the outrage here? I'm so disappointed with the Clintons. My perception of, especially Mr. Clinton, was so very wrong. Sad!

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

ttchipster — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:32:31 -0000

Obama is the Real Deal. Unless he's the best actor-politician since Ronald Reagan. I've seen his Google interview, I've heard him read his book (The Audacity of Hope) and yesterday I saw him speak live in Birmingham, AL. He is in the mold of JFK, and going back I think he has the mind-set and the motivation of our founders and of his state-mate, Lincoln. He reaches the progressives, he appeals to anyone with an open mind, he energizes the young and he will mobilize the black vote like no one before. Yet he's not a "black" candidate. Dave is correct that there is a new attitude among the younger generations. But we baby boomers are split and those older than us carry ingrained prejudices. Who will vote? We'll see, but I feel like it'll be the voters for hope.

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

Michael Markman (Mickeleh) — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:31:12 -0000

I'm appalled at the amount of racial "dog-whistling" that the Clintons have injected into this campaign, at their eagerness to distort and deliberately misinterpret Obama's remarks, and the bad cop / bad cop tactics they've adopted in their campaigning. By their behavior, it's almost as if they are conspiring to make Obama's case for him. They are becoming a parody of the kind of politics we need to move beyond.

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

Laurence — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:51:18 -0000

Things are changing but it's going to take a lot of hope and voices such are yours to get us where we need to go - thanks and keep diggin!

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

francine hardaway — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:48:21 -0000

Unbelievable the extent to which you have voiced my opinion. I worry about a certain vaporware aspect of Obama's rhetoric, but I am still more willing to take a chance on change than have the same people in charge in a dynastic dance between Clintons and Bushes. At least Obama might bring in some advisors who have fresh thoughts.

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

ijonas — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:00:21 -0000

I know a lot of folks in Europe, non-Americans, who feel very strongly about the course that American politics is charting. Most share the view that Hillary Clinton is a return to the past, rather than a move to the future. The danger is that this new Clinton would be replaced by a new Bush in 4-or-8 years time. Obama on the other hand paints a future that is maybe less certain but fuller of hope and opportunity for all.

An American Election is something that effects the whole planet and draws discussion and discourse from everywhere. I'd love to cast a vote in your election, even it didn't count...and I think a lot of others would feel likewise.

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

Chuck Shotton — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:32:38 -0000

People will bristle at the "phony" comment, Dave, but it's true. The generation of politician that is currently fading into irrelevance (Clintons, Gores, Bushes, Kerrys, and their ilk) obtained and retain power through convenient "misdirections" of national will, whether it was based on WMDs, global warming, universal health care, or something as mundane as one's gender or race. This class of politician rules with FUD and a lack of the honor and fairness that we idealize as "American." They twist events and facts to their advantage. It's not unexpected. Politicians have been doing it consistently since the beginning. If Obama can avoid succumbing to that siren song, I do think we have a chance to break that cycle. But you are right. This is probably our last chance to do it before big business, media, and the ruling kleptocracy seal America's fate.

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

xian — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 01:08:52 -0000

Great sentiments, Dave. I do think that to some Democrats the Clintons represent winning at any cost (and this has been viewed as preferable to losing). Obama is a politican of course. Steel yourself for disillusion someday, as JFK was an inspirational symbol and a flawed man at the same time. But symbols mean things, and charisma in the service of hope sounds pretty good to me today.

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

Rebecca — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:19:52 -0000

Dude. You're on a roll. :)

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

pbump — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:10:00 -0000

Hear hear. Your assessment is right on: both that Hillary has shown her true colors and that she won't pay the price for it.

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

Jake — Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:08:18 -0000

I've heard claims that this clip:

http://tinyurl.com/25kwbd

was trimmed and thus incorrectly messaged. Not sure I believe that given everything else.

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

Jake — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:18:23 -0000

Holy crap man, way to sling the smart. That was a fantastic read and I couldn't agree more.

Re: Find a shared vision, v2.0 (Scripting News)

Guest — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:04:40 -0000

Amen.