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  Jon

  9 months ago

  I'm glad I found this thread as I now have *something* to go on. Here's a thought to consider - I'm a Mac n00b - I'm a photographer and I bought a Mac because Adobe apps run better on the new Intel platforms. I don't want to know the exotica, how it runs under the hood - ANY of that crap. I spent 30 years dealing with that junk and I just want the Mac to deliver on the promise of "Just Works". Now how intuitive is all this stuff that has just been hashed over to some poor guy with Lightroom just wanting to export some pics to a network drive? I've been thrilled with the Mac so far and now Leopard just threw a major stumbling block in the road to getting a really simple task accomplished. I mean how intuitive is it to have a drive mounted and then not be able to see it when it comes time to save? Change that from "Just Works" to "Just Stupid". Sorry to vent but this is aggravating beyond belief and an absolute WTF were they thinking?
  Regards,
  Jon
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  James McDaniel

  9 months ago

  1. When I access a computer/disk listed in the Shared section of Finder, the little "eject up-arrow" appears next to that computer. This is using the new 10.5.1 update, I don't recall what the original 10.5.0 behavior is.
  2. To get mounted computers/disks to show up on your Desktop just like CDs and such, go to Finder Preferences and ensure that "Show these items on the Desktop" has "Connected servers" enabled. I think the default for this setting changed from enabled on Tiger to disabled on Leo.
  3. As people have already mentioned, clicking on the little "down arrow" to the right of your file name in standard open/save dialogs, will bring up the full browse window - which will have all Shared volumes listed in the left pane just like Finder.
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  ijonas

  9 months ago

  Hi Dave. I just tried out what you described... I've got a Leopard MacBook Pro and a Windows PC (called Pixel). If I launch TextMate, create a new text file and choose Save As, I get the standard Mac OS X Save As Dialog Box. When I click on the Down/Browse button I get Leopard-styled Browse Dialog with Pixel as a Shared destination.From here I can browse straight into the shares and save the file.
  
  Works effortlessly, if slightly slower to pre-Leopard OSX. I actually prefer the "mounted volume" approach of old..
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  dave

  9 months ago

  I tried it in Firefox and it works as you describe.
  
  I'm using the OPML Editor, which hasn't been revved for Leopard.
  
  So now we know it's true of some apps and not others.
  
  Makes some amount of sense, but I'm still fucked.
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  Marcos

  9 months ago

  Well, I just saw your video and gave it a try and I have the same problem dragging any volume anywhere. BUT, I noticed that if you go to "Computer" in the Finder Go Menu after double clicking on any of the network volumes first in the Shared Computer menu, the volume does appear in "Computer. " At that point, I was able to drag the mounted volume from "My Computer" to the Devices section of the sidebar.
  
  Kind of a kludge. It's disturbing that some applications can't save to a network mounted drive. Is that because they can't see or access the "shared computer" sidebar in the Save dialog?
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  ijonas

  9 months ago

  I've not done any OSX GUI development, but its strange that there are 2 seemingly separate system calls (1 used by OPML Editor and one by Firefox/TextMate), causing two separate Browse Dialog boxes to appear.
  
  Typically these calls are farmed out to the OS by an application, with the response being either "operation cancelled" or the path/name of the file.
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  dave

  9 months ago

  I fear we're in trouble down the road unless we can get some active development going at the kernel level. I know that there's a group supposedly doing that, but they aren't supporting what I'm doing with the OPML Editor. We're still running PowerPC code, and knowing how Apple works, I suspect there will come a time when it won't work. I suppose at some point I should try to figure out how to build the app under XCODE and see if I can't fix stuff like this, but I'm holding out to get help from the community. I used to try to do it all, with spectacularly BAD results. :-(
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  guan

  9 months ago

  Dave, if you know the server name, you can mount volumes by the menu item Go -> Connect to Server (Cmd-K) in Finder.
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  Chuck Shotton

  9 months ago

  If you mount the disk from the Finder using apple-K to bring up the mount dialog, it works exactly like the pre-10.5 mounts did.
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  Andres Espineira

  9 months ago

  I just downloaded the OPML editor to see what it was you were seeing. In the open dialog box click on the first item (your computer name) there you will see your hard drive and any network mounted volumes.
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  dave

  9 months ago

  To everyone who has offered Command-K as a solution, it doesn't do that on any of my systems. I use that command all the time, and believe me, I've never seen the disk that I access that way show up in the left margin as a mounted device, under Leopard. It works that way on Tiger, not on Leopard. I don't doubt that it works that way on your machine, but it doesn't on mine. I've answered this so many times in so many places, hopefully this will be the last time I have to do it.
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  Andres Espineira

  9 months ago

  Irrespective of how you mount the volume. Back to my original comment, when you do a file open in the OPML editor aren't you seeing the mounted volumes if you click on your computer name?
  
  See image: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2076/2041317062_...
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  KevinCTofel

  9 months ago

  Dave, I'm not suggesting there isn't a bigger issue to be resolved here, but a thought. If the network share / folder is one you plan to use commonly, couldn't you just nav to it one time in the Finder and then drag it under your Places in Finder? I've done that for a particular share and it shows in all of my Save As dialog boxes.
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  Diego

  9 months ago

  To keep a mounted network drive on the Finder window, drag it in to the sidebar's Devices section. You can also drag any drive or folder in said drives to get direct access to them. It will then be there when moving from Finder window to Finder window and navigating your numerous drives.
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  dave

  9 months ago

  Here's a video that illustrates how the Finder doesn't let me mount a network drive in Leopard.
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  Andres Espineira

  9 months ago

  Forget about the dragging bit. I agree with you that doesn't work on my system either!
  
  Instead using your example video, open the WYOMING disc by double clicking on it. You can see all the files in WYOMING correct? Leopard has just mounted that disc for you.
  
  Now click on the Prolap icon (first icon on the devices which I assume is the name of your machine) you should now see the WYOMING as a mounted disc listed on the right. No, it doesn't get added to devices on the sidebar (whether it should is a separate interface discussion)
  
  My point is that if you click on your computer icon (first item on your device list) you should see on the right your hard drive, an icon for the network and any other volumes you have mounted. This I've tested with the OPML editor and you can indeed open files from mounted drives by going this route.
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  Clayton Jenkins

  9 months ago

  You should be able to drag WYOMING from Prolap into devices where it acts as it did in Tiger.
  
  I am able to go under SHARED to select the remote machine. Double click the remote mount point to mount the remote disk, select the local computer under DEVICES and drag the mounted drive into DEVICES on the sidebar. From that point on it always appears in my sidebar when the disk is remounted.
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  drylight

  9 months ago

  Hi Dave,
  
  Here's a video response to the problems you've been having. On my system I was able to duplicate your problem, as well as being able to get it to work. As always, just because it works for someone it doesn't necessarily work for others. But it may help. Sorry you hear you're having troubles.
  
  Cheers,
  Diego
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  drylight

  9 months ago

  As a follow up to my own video I just wanted to say that it's no exactly that it doesn't work in LIstView. I just doesn't work in listview when you click on a shared resource under SHARED in the Finder.
  
  As an example. put yourself in ListView. Click on a machine listed under SHARED in Finder. You can't drag it at this stage anywhere in the Sidebar. Double-click on a shared resource. You are now in list view viewing the contents of that shared resource. In the Finder window's toolbar, click on the Path dropdown list and move your one level up from where you are. Which is essentially the same things showing that you saw when you first clicked on the machine under SHARED. You can now drag items in the Sidebar, and you are still in listview.
  
  It seems like that initial view that we're shown when clicking on a network machine that does not allow dragging. I don't think it has anything to do with already having been connected to the resource because after you've connected and seen the contents of the resource you want to put in the sidebar, and move back up one level by clicking the machine on the sidebar, you still can't drag it. It's just that initial view when clicking on a machine.
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  Eric

  9 months ago

  funny, dragging. now NOT obvious (even if it did work). that amounts to hiding the feature. I don't like it when OSs hide stuff by making the only way it works by draggins. second worst is right click only context menus - unless you are in the right place and happen to right click or remember that, then it is hidden also. not intuitive, not obvious. there should always be a menu selection or option somewhere that a person can go find.
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  Michael_Markman

  9 months ago

  I can drag a network disk (or any folder or even a document in that disk) to PLACES in the left-hand sidebar. It will then appear in the open and save dialogues. It will automatically reappear in PLACES even after a reboot.
  
  (My experience matches your video... you can't add a folder to the sidebar under SHARED or DEVICES. Those headings simply report what the system sees out on the network.)
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  Ben Ko

  9 months ago

  [Pls delete this if this shows up as a duplicate post. It didn't show up when i posted but perhaps that's because of the new disqus thing? or are comments now moderated?]
  
  Dave,
  
  I am not a Leopard expert so there may be a more direct way to do this.
  
  The folks who are telling you to drag the network drive into Devices are leaving out an important step. You need to do the dragging from column view, not list view. Yr video shows you are in list view.
  
  1. First connect to the remove server (that's what you do when you do CMD-K)
  
  This then shows you the various volumes on that server.
  
  2. Change to column view.
  
  3. From column view, drag the volume you want permanently showing up in sidebar under devices and it will be in yr sidebar.
  
  Again, there maybe a more direct way to do this.
  
  Also, for those who like their network volumes on their desktop
  
  1. Go to Finder Preferences and select checkbox for "Connected Servers" as one of the "items on the desktop",
  
  This will then show any network volumes you have mounted that desktop, which i would guess even non-Leopardized apps should be able to see.
  
  2. You can also drag the network volume icon from the desktop into the Devices window that you want in your sidebar view and it should show up.
  
  I disconnect from the computer, the drive disappears. After I reconnect to the computer, the drive re-appears and it is still in my devices sidebar.
  
  Hope this helps,
  
  
  Ben
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  Darren Stone

  9 months ago

  Remote folders are mounted the same in Leopard as in previous version of OS X. The difference is that mounted drives don't show up in the side bar. That's annoying and seems like an oversight.
  
  But as has always been the case, all mounted drives are available from the top of the file hierarchy (the computer), which is visible from any open or save dialog. And you can put the Computer in the sidebar, via Finder preferences.
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  Alistair McMillan

  9 months ago

  Step 1) Open Finder Preferences and tick the "Computer" option under Sidebar.
  Step 2) Mount whatever volumes you want with whatever method you like.
  Step 3) Select your computer at the top of the Sidebar in any Finder window. You should see all the previously mounted volumes there.
  
  The list is even preserved when you sleep/wake your Mac, whereas in Tiger only AFP-mounted volumes were preserved.
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  ted

  9 months ago

  I have a netwroked harddrive that is connected to the same dsl router as my imac. Prior to installing leopard, I was able to connect to this dirve using go>connect to server > smb://workgroup;username@ip address/share. Now when I try connecting to the drive, the drive mounts in the sidebar but shows zero bytes and no files. I double checked if there was a prblem with the drive by connecting by FTP and it does connect just fine as expected. It seems like there is a problem with leeopard. Any ideas on how I can properly connect to and mount this drive?
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  Peter

  9 months ago

  Thanks for confirming my finding out that this key capability is gone - UGH.
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  Chigozie

  7 months ago

  Finder>Preferences... Check Show... "Connected Servers" box in General tab.
  This has solved the problem for me, although I only found it 5 minutes ago, so there might still be other problems with it.
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  Dan

  7 months ago

  It's crappy I know. You can still get to it though, goto your Home disk, then hit apple-up this will move you up a directory to show you all the drives connected
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  Kirk

  5 months ago

  This has to be a Finder related bug. When I go to Finder preferences and check "show connected servers" on the Desktop, all of my mounted volumes appear as icons on my desktop. When I go to the Sidebar preference tab and check "Connected Servers" nothing happens. Theoretically it should display all of those mounted volumes in my sidebar. From there, they should be available in any application where I'm saving or opening a file.
  
  Here's the interesting part. I use a Finder alternative called PathFinder. Pathfinder shows all of the mounted volumes in its sidebar just like it always has. Unfortunately, this doesn't fix the problem where I can't access those volumes from a file save box.
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