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Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

tom — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 05:22:15 -0000

well its been, what, 4 months since leopard was released?

im now using 10.5.2 and havent had a single problem - leopard would now seem to be a vast improvement on tiger.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

caglar — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:46:57 -0000

You talk about how unreliable Leopard is, and I have to agree a 100%. I also have to say that I loved my old Mac, a titanium PowerBook which I ran all OSX variants between 10.1 through 10.4 on. Maybe because of my good experiences with those OSs (and that machine), I felt OK installing Leopard shortly after it was available on my brand new MacBook Pro. The result is as disappointing as it can be...

You know, I don't care much about flashy new features, as long as the computer does the job well, and is reliable, and BOTH the hardware AND the software on my new MBP with Leopard fail right there. And the bugs..... Aaaarrgggh!!! Nowadays, each time I see a Mac commercial on TV, it infuriates me...

It seems to me that Apple dropped the name "Computer" from their name for a reason. They probably want to be "Gateway", or something... It's a shame really... In the mean time, I'll struggle to make some use of my $2000, disappointing new machine without ripping all my hair off...

Next time I'll get a $400 Toshiba or something... At that price range, at least you know what you're getting into...

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

Andy — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:32:09 -0000

So you doubt that, William? Well, that's exactly what Apple Care told me to do since they couldn't come up with a fix for the keyboard issues I'm having with my brand new MacBook Pro. (And no, the "Fix" released by Apple a few days back did _not_ help.)

I am currently waiting for a 10.4.3 retail disk to be shipped. I have no idea how downgrading is supposed to work. Why not just face it: Apple screwed this one up. Big time.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

Dave Marcoot — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:57:37 -0000

Well my experience has been somewhat different. 10.5 on my duel g4 is
Stable and responsive system apple has ever shipped. To freezes, spinning wheels or crashes in 2 months. Faster wake up and user switching.

That said, your are absolutely correct about the network interface. It is mind boggling that they dumbed it down, where it was usable for since 10.0.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

NenadWeb — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:06:31 -0000

I cannot understand why you write so hard against Leopard. I upgraded from Tiger to Leopard and I had not one problem. I have here a WinXP PC at home, too. And every single time I start my PC I know why I have a MacBook and don't use the PC anymore that much.

Think before you write nonsense.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

mpb — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:00:22 -0000

Disagree completely.

Sure, there are some annoyances with Leopard.

Transparent Menu Bar - Doesn't bother me, my desktop image makes this a non-issue.
New Icons - I use custom Icons
Quick Look - Absolutely Love It
Performance - Much smoother and more fluid than Tiger
EvDO Card - Plugged it in and connected, not a problem
8021.x Wireless - It works great!
Unified Theme - Love the lack of Aqua & Brushed Metal
Space - It's great
Spotlight - Change allow me to get rid of Quicksliver, no more annoying QS load at login

Overall, it just feels like a faster more refined Tiger to me. I haven't had a single stability issue. I use it for work running VMWare w/ WIndows, MS Office 2004, Omnifocus, Yojimbo, OmniGraffle, Unison, iWork, iLife, Bento, and Adium. I normally have all of these apps open and running with about 20+ tabs in both Safari and Firefox.

Not a single issue on a MacBook Pro Core Duo w/ 2GB DRAM. (1st Gen)

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:04:04 -0000

I agree.. it does feel like windows.. what's up Apple! How can I go backwards and install Tiger.. that system just ROCKED!

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

macnixer — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:54:06 -0000

I started with Leopard in the Beta stages... I work for an org developing software and we are ADC members. I never had problems even with the beta. Fact it to try the speeds I installed the beta on a usb hdd and connected my Mac and booted. I was surprised the system was so stable an fast. I have tried using Vista on a proper workstation with all it wants hardware but the system lied to me crashed on me etc. So I would not say Leopard is Windows like. Frankly you must be either running an ancient machine with 128 MB RAM or a paid for from the other side. You sound simple but you are not and you are trying to get milage through CNET et al.

You do not know Macs.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:13:33 -0000

The pinnacle of Operating Systems was DOS 6.22, it was all downhill from there...

-W

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

thommango — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:22:41 -0000

Sounds worse than windows. I've been using windows since 3.1 and never had a windows upgrade cause me to lose data. Even a recent Ubuntu upgrade went really smoothly.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

pabon — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:58:45 -0000

why you gotta dis windows, because the mac suk?

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

Lounge — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:22:39 -0000

This is the typical mentality of Mac users. If something does not work it is the users fault. They dont blame Apple. I think it is widely known there are Leptard issues and i just wish all Apple fans out there would do something about it and show their distain for it. Like this post.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

Charles — Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:58:01 -0000

I guess I've been pretty lucky. I did an update the day leopard came out and it's been flawless. I haven't had any problems with speed, wireless connectivity, crashing etc. I'm not wild about stacks, but I use launchbar to access my common folders.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

William — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 04:04:07 -0000

Panther, Tiger, and Leopard can't be windows... Windows doesn't use UNIX SYS V R4 code. The person stating Leopard is like Windows just base their Graphical User Interface experiences. If in fact Leopard was like Vista, Apple would have a downgrade option to Tiger from Leopard. Doubt this is the case.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

William — Thu, 22 Nov 2007 04:00:50 -0000

eh, linux isn't just ran on powerpc and ia32 or ia64 systems. Linux has degraded with the 2.6 kernel. Sure NPTL is great, and more drivers break the kernel because of lazy kernel devs and each minor release breaks more than should occur, even if Linus writes off driver releases. With sparc64 the kernel has gone to trash from 2.4 to 2.6. Also, each 2.6 release breaks something that used to work fine prior to 2.6.8.1. OSX is great as it is tuned for specific hardware, just like Solaris. The OS needs to be built to specific hardware, that's where stability comes from, and that's what every OS but windows has done. x86 is the bane of a world! People want cheap gear, they get what they pay for. The OS is the kernel plus the software built around it. The kernel itself, is not an OS.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

Jonas — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:29:39 -0000

back to the stone-age, right? :) This comment stoked my laughter. Thanks!

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

Singulus — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:19:47 -0000

But It Doesn't " Just Work " and in particular it would appear that the biggest problem is this issue of 'backward compatibility'. Over half of Apples installed base runs the PowerPC chip-set. Leopard's primary target is the new Intel chips. Bottom-line is they want to sell the newest Mac's, but in order to thrive they had to release this new OS. What have they sacrificed?

I'm not one of those closet PC fanatics. I switched when OS X was first released. When I stumbled upon Steve Job's Introduction to OS X on the internet, I ran right out and purchased a used G3, the turquoise & white 'smurf'. I added a third-party drive and OS X was everything Steve promised an more.

I ran right out and purchased an original 1.25 GHz PowerPC G4. That experience was so good, through several upgrades I might add, that I invested in an original dual 2 GHz PowerPC G5, both with extended DDR SDRAM, and external drives for backups.

At this point I noticed Apple heading down the same path that Microsoft had always run. They were starting to have cooling issues and front-end buss problems.

I was somewhat concerned when they switched to Intel, but had no problems, no problems whatsoever until OS X 10.5 Leopard.

Both machines have some rather serious issues, the G4 worse, but they are inter-related. 'Time Machine' actually ate over 114,000 files backed up and tested weeks in advance on the G4. Three years of backup that took over eight days to copy & compare, tested extensively prior to upgrade. Gone.

Both machines hide even recently created files some where in the bowels of the OS. " Spotlight " fails to see them either. " Finder" and even the new "Mail"
bog down and quit inexplicably. And why?

In the name of 'backward compatibility'. They just couldn't bring themselves to admit, This OS is designed, targeted, for the Intel Chip-set. Serious compromises were made to 'sell' this OS to the installed base, regardless of the consequences.

I'm afraid the author was correct, " It doesn't Just Work " any longer.

Eric

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

Jim — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:51:44 -0000

" It disappears for long periods of time."

I'm lost. on that one.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

DBL — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:34:20 -0000

I can't believe that somebody as experienced as you in the computer world made such a newbie mistake as to install a point-zero major OS upgrade within weeks of its release and expect not to have any issues. This is your operating system -- if you're not going to be cautious about that then you are simply not a cautious person, and you pay the price. I've been advising my Mac-using friends to wait three months before jumping on any major new OS, for years now. After the three month wait, everything is usually copacetic. Mind you, I don't disrespect bleeding edge adopters -- only when they whine and make stupid self-lampooning noises about abandoning the platform. Hell, I have a boot drive with Leopard on it, it's just not my main drive.

I can understand some computer rookie making this kind of mistake -- making the biggest change possible to his mission critical systems with a few weeks of that change coming available. But you! You have no excuse. I feel no sympathy. In fact, you should be embarrassed.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

Tracy — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 12:26:27 -0000

I don't know what you did wrong... works great for me. I only had to stop using "menushade" which makes sense. It did take a little time to figure out the networking, but that works WAY better now then before. Just wait for the patches, I'm sure you'll be happy

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

Mark — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 11:14:32 -0000

How did you lose two days restoring a backup? Try SuperDuper and backup to a bootable clone: you only lose 10 minutes.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

Jon T — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 04:41:32 -0000

Count me as another happy camper on Leopard. It's VERY fast and apart from a few lesser third party programmes not yet tuned, perfectly reliable too.

I had the BSOD scenario when I installed, but we now know exactly what caused that. Before installing just make sure you remove any non-Apple preference panes you have added to your system and you will be fine.

Leopard is 32bit and 64bit compliant, operates across two chip architectures - Intel and PPC chips and it introduces next generation file systems with ZFS among other under the hood innovations too. The odd glitch and you are complaining like mad and comparing it to Windows?!

Well don't is my advice, because it simply isn't possible to compare cheese with diamond...

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

mayday — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 20:07:04 -0000

So happy to read your post, I was beginning to think that I was the only one that was suffering with Leopard. After waiting so long for this much hyped release from Apple I am now running Vista on my mac book pro.... Wow, what an improvement. Everything just works! I am begining to think the only benefit to leopard was built in bootcamp.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

davidjacobs — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:13:41 -0000

My Leopard is working great. No problems whatsoever. I *love* quicklook. No way in hell I would go back to Windows, not for anything. I'd rather go Linux.

Re: I'm not happy with Leopard (Scripting News)

Paul Stamatiou — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:34:02 -0000

Do you have any specific examples?