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Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Jeremy — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:26:23 -0000

And the left is committed to enacting their social legislation that would dictate how I live.

News flash: the majority rules and makes the rules.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Mayson — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:08:29 -0000

I agree with your analysis of McCain's choice. The only trouble is, this choice shows that he is totally unqualified to serve as President.

Think it through: he isn't gambling only with his personal political fate, which is his perfect right: he's gambling with our country's future. What kind of egomaniac does that?

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Mayson — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:01:31 -0000

On the other hand, that same poll shows that only 18% of the country is as extremely anti-abortion as Palin is - over 80% agree that abortion should be legal under some circumstances.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Mayson — Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:54:24 -0000

if there were so few people who supported hilary, why do you think mccain chose palin?

Because he has very bad judgement and shoots from the hip.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Will Cate — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:00:29 -0000

On that, we'll simply have to agree to disagree. Peace out, y'all - -

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

justcorbly — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:54:18 -0000

No, it won't be. Terrorists threaten Americans, but not America. There's a difference.

I've lived in the Arab middle east. People I knew were no more likely to support theTaliban than you or I.

Besides, it's the Republicans who are exploiting the threat of terror to restrict our freedoms today.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:35:40 -0000

I'm not sure I agree with all of these.

#1 - Ditto!

#2 - I would also agree. Just like the Biden pick and the unaudacious stadium speech shows Obama thinks he is the frontrunner and must therefore run a cautious campaign.

#3 - What does she know about economic issues? Unlike Obama, she has actually run an actual business. Yes, she is less experienced than, say, Ted Stevens. Ahem. But the entire Obama campaign has been launched to its great success on the premise that experience counts less than judgement, and I think she has shown a ton of that. Her personal life story certainly shows more "profiles in courage" moments than Obama's. And I think that's a very important part of a VPOTUS or POTUS choice.

#4 - I agree that Obama's exceptionally well-run campaign is proof enough that he is qualified for the presidency. But I disagree that being "thoughtful" and "studious" and "well educated" somehow makes up for his other failings. We're not selecting a grad student here. We're selecting a president. Intelligence matters obviously. But if having read a ton of books about foreign policy makes you as qualified as having had the actual foreign policy experience I'm Henry Kissinger. You're also right that Alaska is a very peculiar state. It is a state with very high welfare spending and entrenched, corrupt machine politics. Kind of like Chicago. When faced with that machine, Sarah Palin confronted it and pretty much tore it to shreds. Barack Obama? Um, um, um, well, you know, um... he kind of just got along to get along, as he always does. Who was it who said judgement matters over experience, again?

#5 - "It's the Republican approach to problems, shoot from the hip without thinking things through." Ahem. What do you say to such a blatant troll?

#6 - First of all, Americans are not pro-choice. They're not pro-life either. If you look at the polls, most Americans are very uncomfortable with the issue, on the fence, and depending on how you *phrase* the question the answers come out very differently. If Americans are so pro-choice, why did they pick a pro-life president for 20 of the past 28 years? As far as getting Hillary voters -- I don't know. I think downscale voters will definitely identify with her awe-inspiring, moose-eating, snowmobile-riding, up-by-your-bootstraps life story. I think pro-choice women, while disagreeing, will nevertheless admire her decision to carry to term a child with Down Syndrome. I certainly don't think Hillary voters, or women in general, would identify with any woman. But I think Sarah Palin is definitely a woman worth identifying with.

#7 - I don't think it's a PR stunt. I honestly don't. Let me say that few things -- even presidential politics -- fascinate me more than the world of the web, entrepreneurship and venture capital. I love this world because it's a world where a young, inexperienced guy to whom a "serious" person would never lend money can still build a business and change the status quo. I like the fact that it's the same way with politics. Let's be serious -- Barack Obama couldn't have run with his amount of experience even four years ago. But that's a good thing! Experience is relevant, but not as relevant as intelligence, judgement and character! And for the first time in a long while, both candidates for the presidency have that by the bucketload! I think both McCain and Obama are thoughtful patriots who want the good of their country. I honestly think McCain saw in Palin the same thing a good VC sees in a young guy with no business and barely a product. I honestly think he thinks she is going to make a terrific VP. Obviously he was aware that picking her was smart politics (and then again maybe not? Thankfully they're going to have to can these "is he ready to lead?" ads.) but labeling the pick a PR stunt is just not right in my view.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

sgarza — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:13:21 -0000

For the first time since Ronald Reagan a politician who walks their talk. I was going to write in Ron Paul but now for the first time in my 58 years I will campaign for a cantidate. The PRESIDENCY IS NOT ABOUT PERSONALITY OR EXPERIENCE IT IS ABOUT CHARACTER. That is why we admire Washington, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Ronald Reagan.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Will Cate — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:03:02 -0000

Oh, you mean like these guys.

Trust me, corbly - - when they come for you, it will be under the banner of the star and crescent, not the cross.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Yule Heibel — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:37:52 -0000

Heh, true enough, but at the same time, let's not underestimate Paris Hilton -- she's probably one of those "blondes" (bottled) who acts dumb to get attention, but who is more than savvy under the surface. Further, she probably knows where & how to hire the right help, which is at least half the battle... ;-)

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Manton Reece — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:29:08 -0000

I watched most of it live and re-read the transcript that night, and do plan to listen to the whole thing again at some point. I have no problem with the speech. I thought it was very good and made the case well.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

justcorbly — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:52:06 -0000

Dems are going to gain in the House and the Senate, and have a chance at moving up to 60 seats in the latter, thereby breaking the GOP's ability to block legislation via filibuster.

I hope the GOP goes down to a distrastrous defeat. It needs to spend time in the wilderness. Even if I was a Republican, I'd say the same thing. Today's GOP is indistinguishable from the evangelical political movement, which really does want to impose their rules on the rest of us. Their interpretation of the Bible tells them to do or not do certain things. Rather than be content with following those rules in their own lives, they want to force the rest of to march in lockstep with them. It's a huge threat to the American way of life and the Constitution.

How fragile, how twisted, is someone's faith if they are compelled to impose their beliefs on others?

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Will Cate — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:24:14 -0000

On this we agree...

These "truthers" really are insufferable. They want us to believe that hundreds, if not thousands, of people are complicit in a conspiracy which has now gone on for almost 7 years.

(BTW the two most common words on the site kidmercury links to are "retired" and "former" and all of its "news" links are to yet another pro-conspiracy website.)

Sorry, kidmercury, there aren't a thousand people in government who are smart enough to pull off something like that. Puh-leeeze.....

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

dave — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:16:13 -0000

Try listening to Obama's speech and see if it does anything for you.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

archae86 — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:32:13 -0000

[quote]He picked her because she was the governor from the state that was furthest away from Washington.[/quote]Nope, that would be Hawaii. Even way... out in the Aleutians is closer (though Attu itself is very slightly farther than the nearest bit of Hawaii), and the major population centers are over a thousand miles closer.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Jeff Schiller — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:07:58 -0000

Agreed - I think in the long run, this was a terrible move by the Republicans

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Manton Reece — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:17:42 -0000

Some of your points may end up being true, but let me just address number 6. Since you didn't vote for Hillary, there are 18 million people who know more about this point than you do.

Every day this week at the convention, the main news story was Hillary and party unity. What would she say, would Democrats unite? Well she hit it out of the park with her speech, and Bill Clinton did too, and then Biden followed strong and it was easy to be excited about being a Democrat, about the story of Obama and Biden and how hopelessly lost the Republicans were by comparison. Even those Democrats who were frustrated with the party, and disappointed with Obama in general, started to warm up to the ticket.

When McCain picked Palin, it was like none of the week had happened. Everything was reset back to the primaries, in how Hillary had been treated by the press, party, and Obama supporters, and how Obama had passed her over for VP.

On the issues, Palin is no Hillary. But every day for the next 2 months, Palin will be a reminder to disgruntled Democrats that Obama messed up.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Will Cate — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:18:57 -0000

Well if it makes you feel any better, the Dems will almost certainly retain both houses of Congress, so I don't think you'll need to worry about that any time soon.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

wcf — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:00:27 -0000

The more I think about McCain's choice, the more ridiculous it seems. It has reinforced my suspicion that he may be in the early stages of dementia. Seriously.

I have a feeling that within a week, Gov. Palin will withdraw, and McCain will have to choose someone else - just like McGovern and Eagleton in 1972.

Imagine Gov. Palin sitting across a negotiating table from Vladimir Putin, and you will immediately realize that she has no business whatsoever being second in line to the Presidency. I cannot imagine a less appropriate choice - other than Paris Hilton.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

justcorbly — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:58:33 -0000

No you are not telling me how to vote, at least not directly. But the religious right is committed to enacting social legislation that would do exactly that.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

kidmercury — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:24:13 -0000

yes, all you can do is say crazed loon, because lord knows you don't have the facts. allow me to school you:

www.patriotsquestion911.com

victims family members, governors, state senators, CIA agents, and even members of the 9/11 commission will tell you that there is a coverup going on. and that is putting it politely. any serious investigation and any look at history tells you that it was clearly, without question, an inside job.

please educate yourself. the hour is late. it is the responsibility of american citizens to be informed and to use their first amendment to spread the truth, not sit here and whine about change while being too afraid and too irresponsible to tell the truth about 9/11.

please educate yourself in monetary policy as well. whether obama or mccain gets installed, neither is going to stop inflation and the banking crisis we are in the midst of. 9/11 and the fraudulent wars are the cause of that as well.

be sure to remember that when your dollar is devalued to near nothing and you are not able to afford things for yourself and your family. it is the truth that sets you free, and it is the lie that imprisons you. remember that.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

Will Cate — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:17:42 -0000

re: "wants to make me behave just like she does."

Jeebus, you guys are so paranoid! I'm not telling you, or anyone, who to vote for. I'm just analyzing the situation as it currently stands, as I see it.

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

simeon — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:08:23 -0000

>Americans are pro-choice

This is one of the most disrespectful things I've heard you say Dave. There certainly are Americans who are pro-choice and there are Americans who are pro-life. To say with emphasis "*Americans* are pro-choice" - oh and pro-life women don't have much appeal in this country? Just move 150 miles east and you'll find out that's not true.

The first place I looked for data (pro-choice topic page on Wikipedia) says that Americans were evenly split on the issue as of 2007 (a CNN poll and a Gallup poll found 45%/50% and 49%/45% splits). Sounds like Americans disagree about this issue - and even though I'm pro-life I'm not ready to read you out of the country because you disagree...

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

justcorbly — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:42:29 -0000

You do realize you are replying to yourself?

Actually, it's been a great year for Dems. Record turnouts in primaries, record new voter registrations, poor GOP turnout and poor GOP registrations. People loathe Bush, McCain is 72 and just picked a neophyte as a running mate. What's bad about any of that?

Re: Initial thoughts on the Palin nomination (Scripting News)

justcorbly — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:37:17 -0000

You're comment is just one more piece of evidence that the right wing values adherence to its ideology more than anything else. You are telling me i should vote for McCain because Palin has 5 kids, hunts, fishes, and is married to a fisherman.

The GOP has a number of women with identical policy positions who have years of experience in government. The fact that McCain ignored these women tells me that he is not interested in experience or real qualifications. It tells me that he can't be trusted.

From my middle-class perspective, Palin is just one more doctrinaire right-wing ideologue who wants to make me behave just like she does.