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Scripting News: Obama does mean change, here's why (Scripting News)

  • Ken Hudak · 1 year ago
    "So the first change you'll get from Obama is that he's not Bush. "

    True, he is not. He just votes to support Bush's policies. Iraq, FISA, you name it.

    Now AT&T is sponsoring the Dem's convention. Is that what the FISA vote was all about? A hand bag?
  • lemon obrien · 1 year ago
    here! here!
  • Jim Oakley · 1 year ago
    The outside world is now friends with US Because we have to. With Obama it would change to Because we want to.
  • lemon obrien · 1 year ago
    This doesn't make sense; we're friends with the outside world cause we sell them things. "because we want to" this is totally protectionist crap. it's all about money.
  • Jim Oakley · 1 year ago
    Oh, I meant "We, the outside world..", not the other way around.
  • fdsa · 1 year ago
    The biggest change is always the change from the candidate to the elected official.
    What they say and what they actually do are always different.

    And *they* all work for the same people - big money. Not big oil. Not big pharma. Not the military-industrial complex. Not big media. Not big education. Not big steel. Not big union. No. These are all facets of the same thing, big money. The unfettered ability to transfer wealth pennies at a time from the little guy. Take the labor. Take the fruits. Take the wealth.

    All of the debates over ideology and right and wrong can all be simplified when you just look for the money. This hunt for easy money begins at the lowest level of your government. It is the corruption of your town council or school board. The dirty dealings of your state legislators. The bad politics of your governor.

    Ike did warn of the military-industrial complex. He certainly never claimed it was a republican thing. He knew it was really just big money and that it was all corrupting.

    Change. Feh! It never changes.
  • brittany · 10 months ago
    it will change just beleive because if you dont believe it will never happen. Like from the movie peter pan wendy didnt believe in tinkerbell and tink was dieing well when she believed tink came to life. so believe
  • gregorylent · 1 year ago
    please re-post this story in one year ... it is possible the change will be much less than you think. real change comes from the ground up ... americans are not ready, in my opinion , to embrace global realities.
  • gsmaverick · 1 year ago
    Seeing as how Obama hasn't even completed one term as senator, I can't see how he's ready to lead a country, let alone bring about change. He's a smooth talker, who will get nothing done. He's not the right guy, and he can't give straight answers on questions like "When life begin?". Not someone i want as president.
  • lemon obrien · 1 year ago
    here! here! he lost me with the FISA vote. if you're a REAL american, you would've voted against it. Crap like that is used by our government to spy on people like Dr. King. He knew that. That is why I voted for him in the california primary. now. now i think he's fake, smooth talking, pandering. You either have values as a man, or you don't.
  • r · 1 year ago
    Personally, I'm not a philosopher or a doctor, so I don't know "when life begin". It depends on the definition of life.

    If "life" means anything that would turn out to be a human, every married couple (who could afford it) should try to maximize their baby output. Every day that is not used for sex, means a potential life goes to waste. Think of the huge responsibiility that Gates should have. He could probably afford to impregnate thousands of women.
  • gsmaverick · 1 year ago
    I think you are trying to purposely misinterpret exactly what I mean. Does life begin at fertilization or not? No degree required, just common sense.
  • Corrupted Mind · 1 year ago
    I have found the US elections fascinating for this reason alone. Yes, Obama means change, but McCain means change also. From an European perspective, and looking on with a "wide view" historically - all US presidents are "America First" presidents and this one (whether McCain or Obama) will be no different. In Obama we have a change which is a little more unknown, also voters have legitimate doubts whether he can actually deliver the change he is promising - anyone who knows, anything about politics will know that after the election, everything will turn to local matters and he will face the same fight as a republican president in getting his program actually legislated. That is the reality of politics, red or blue. This would suggest that maybe a McCain presidency is better equipped at delivering change (i.e. having worked across the aisle) however, if the dems lose and retain both houses, I doubt he will be able to deliver any of his program at all. In that sense, despite both candidates promising change - I sense a great deal of inertia and introspection is on the horizon, whoever wins.
  • lemon obrien · 1 year ago
    this is america, it should always be america first; just like in germany, it's always germany first. if you think it's different; then you have a lot to learn.
  • Steve · 1 year ago
    Instead of a President who shoots from the hip and trusts his untrustworthy gut, you'll have a President who gets educated, and chooses teachers who really know their stuff.


    As Obama hasn't even served as much time in the Senate as I have in pre-school and kindergarten, your inexplicable foresight into his Presidential modus operandi is nothing more than a mental shot from the hip... while drunk and stoned. It'd have been better if you actually addressed specific supporting facts in your post, rather than repeat tired soundbites and rhetoric.

    That's my two cents... keep the Change.
  • alain · 1 year ago
    I would posit that we have no idea how Obama will act as a President if he actually wins the office.

    Think back eight years ago which is fairly similar to this election in many ways - a tarnished exiting President that the incumbent party's candidate (Gore) wanted little to do with - though Clinton was arguably more popular than Bush is now for obvious reasons. Bush had a phenomenal fund - raising machine (much like Obama now).

    Many looked around and said, "George Bush has no foreign policy experience and he only has 6 years of actual executive experience as the Governor of Texas." However he was the first Governor of that state elected to two consecutive terms so people thought, "He must be doing something right."

    The big line though was, look, he's got all these great advisors including his Cabinet with Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld, and others with deep international experience. They will step in and support him as "learned advisors" to help him understand how to succeed in these endeavors.

    Republicans were so anxious for change that W. looked like the golden son who would make it possible to regain the White House and bring moral integrity back to it (which really was one of the leading issues of the campaign). It was simply a question of W. is not Clinton. Sounds fairly similar to your argument that Obama is not Bush.

    Many of us who voted for Bush back then ask ourselves how it might have been different if Bush had not won - because he turned out not to be the candidate we really wanted or believed he would be.

    So you might want to ask yourself, what happens when this unknown cipher with NO experience in foreign policy and NO experience in executive office steps into the White House and attempts to lead us through one of the most difficult periods in the last 50 years. What then? Is it sufficient to say that he will lean on "learned advisors?" Will Obama turn out to be another bumbler just with a Blue background rather than Red background this time? His responses to the Georgia crisis give me serious concern that he will be in over his head.

    I don't know who I am voting for yet come November, but I have serious concerns about both candidates. McCain is an arrogant, self-serving, ass, but at least he's a known quantity. Obama comes from my home state and he had little to no impact in this State prior to leaping up ambitiously to take over Peter Fitzgerald's office. And he's been running for President ever since then so honestly, many of us in Illinois - who know him best - would say he hasn't done much since then either.

    As Mother Teresa said, "More tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones." In other words, careful what you wish for because you might just get it.
  • Will Cate · 1 year ago
    If Barack Obama has a single original thought in his head, I haven't yet heard it. All he does is regurgitate the same left-wing stuff he's grown up hearing: America is bad, big corporations are bad (especially oil companies), the rich don't pay enough tax, everyone has a right to health care, etc. etc.

    And now he's allegedly moving "toward the center?" I'm sure that's what the DNC want folks to think. Not from what I've seen. He's still the most left-wing major presidential candidate in my lifetime (and I'm almost 50).

    Sure, an Obama presidency would bring change. Just the wrong kind of change.
  • r · 1 year ago
    It's funny how the Republicans have managed to use negative words for the Democrats. By calling them "left-wing" you get associations to the communist party.

    The reality is that on a scale from 1-10, where 10 is George Bush and 1 is Fidel Castro, John Kerry is a 9.5 and Obama is an 8.5

    But they still have political differences, just not right-wing / left-wing type of differences
  • Will Cate · 1 year ago
    re: "left-wing"

    Yeah, I'll cop to that. It's a modus operandi.... ;-)
  • fdsa · 1 year ago
    "right-wing" and religious right are the same...

    The vast right wing conspiracy comes to mind.
  • Will Cate · 1 year ago
    And Dave, here's a concrete example. You sold Weblogs.com to VeriSign in 2005 for $2.3 million (wikipedia). That means you paid $345,000 in capital gains tax (15%), assuming the company was debt-free.

    Obama has proposed a increase in CGT to a rate of 20%, but certainly has not ruled out increases up to even 28% (source: ABC News).

    Let's give him the benefit of the doubt & stick with 20%. That is still a one-third increase in the rate! For the same capital gains you realized with the Weblogs sale, under Plan Obama you would have paid $115,000 more in taxes. Ya know, a hundred-thousand here & a hundred-thousand there, & pretty soon you're talking about real money.

    It's so obvious it almost... mathematical.
  • Bryan Schappel · 1 year ago
    98% of America will pay capital gains ONCE in their lives. That time is when they sell their home. The other 2% of America has the capital gains tax rate as their income tax rate. I don't have any investments worth $2.3M. I make a fraction of 2.3M per year. My federal income tax rate is about 30%.

    Face it the most wealthy Americans pay far less taxes (as a percentage of income) compared to anyone else in the country. That is not equitable.

    Corporations have rigged the tax code so that they pay virtually no corporate income taxes. Compare the tax records from the 1950's to now. A very stark difference. This is inequitable. It's even more so when you consider all of the corporate welfare.

    If corporate America is so great why do they need tax dollars and subsidies? Obama wants to reverse some of this. Is that so bad? If so, why?
  • Will Cate · 1 year ago
    RE: why do they need tax dollars and subsidies?

    They don't. I'm with you there. No federal tax subsidies of any kind to any company. But that alone is not a good enough reason for me to vote Obama.

    The cap. gains tax, I admit, doesn't touch everybody, or perhaps even most people. I was just using Dave as an example. My only point is that Obama will raise taxes and raise spending to fund a potpourri of "programs."

    If it were up to me I would eliminate huge portions of the federal government (IRS, Dept. of Education, Dept. of Commerce) to save money. Don't think either candidate is gonna go there, though....
  • Bryan Schappel · 1 year ago
    I'm more with you than against you. Yes, many HUGE parts of the US Gov't should be jettisoned but we'll disagree as to which ones (at least on some of them). We'll agree that no one in DC has the guts to propose and push through the changes.

    I believe that government can work. I think there are many things that the public sector can and should provide for the PEOPLE of the United States. If Obama can come in and energize the citizenry and Congress to fix things then all the better. Sometimes the new guy with big ideas is what we need. If he can't get his ideas implemented then we vote him out. I am certain that McCain offers no new ideas.

    In 2000 I liked McCain. I felt really bad that he got torpedoed by Bush. Now, he's too old, not terribly coherent, and he's making things up as he goes along. (I'm a Goldwater Republican, I'm a Teddy Roosevelt Republican, I'm just like Reagan, I'm for all the Bush policies but I'm not GW, etc.)

    I just think using the "tax and spend" label for everyone in the Democratic party is unfair. Slapping a label on someone is the worst way to have public discourse. We've gotten too sound-bitten.

    I'm willing to give a new guy a chance. McCain has not built anything by himself. He's lived off of the public teat all his life. Obama is young enough that his experience in local politics and community organization are still fresh in his mind. He's also a bright, well educated person. Being liked by the rest of the world is also a plus in my book.

    I don't buy the argument that you need experience to be president. What experience does McCain have? Our country has a long history of inexperienced presidents.

    I hate the two party system but I am very worried about what another Republican president will do to the Supreme Court. It's far too conservative.

    Too many things to write about. I'm rambling. Guess I need a blog of my own!?
  • Will Cate · 1 year ago
    I don't begrudge McCain for a life of civil service. I wish he had some private sector experience, but saying he's "lived off the public teat" makes him sound like a welfare mama. I think he's worked for it.
  • Bryan Schappel · 1 year ago
    I take issue with the word "earn". In the public sector the employee benefits are far and away more superior than anything in the private sector. He's had top-notch FREE healthcare all of his life. He's never been without it and never will be. I've lived without it and it sucks. It makes you appreciate it when you get it. It's been his norm.

    He was married to a model when he went to Vietnam. She was disfigured in an accident while he was imprisoned. She wrote him all the time to keep his spirits up. When he saw her when he got home he got a marriage license to his current super wealthy wife BEFORE he was divorced from wife #1. Opportunistic at the least.

    Let's not forget McCain was part of the Keating Five.

    The press is giving McCain a huge pass on large parts of his past.
  • Will Cate · 1 year ago
    Well, I didn't actually use the word "earn," but I'm perfectly comfortable with it. Your comment smacks of a bit of class-envy, no?

    The circumstances of the dissolution of McCain's first marriage don't really concern me. Marriage is the very personal business of those who are married. I seem to recall a 2004 candidate who also married into a great deal of money.

    And the average voter under 40 doesn't even know what Keating Five means, but that fact notwithstanding, McCain (and John Glenn) were both exonerated by the Senate Ethics Committee in that case.
  • fdsa · 1 year ago
    community organization? another term for rallying a voting block to suck from the public teat
  • fdsa · 1 year ago
    Federal tax subsidies are often engineering practices where the gov't is trying to force some sort of behavior.

    The corporate welfare often comes at the lower levels. No property taxes. Education subsidies for training programs. Free parking. Etc.

    Followed up by the congressman "bringing home the bacon" to his district to keep a poor business/employer afloat or thriving.
  • fdsa · 1 year ago
    Amen on the cap gains.

    When politicians talk about raising taxes on the wealthy and follow that up with raising income taxes on higher earned incomes instead of on cap gains/dividends, it is annoying.

    Tax the wealth, not the payroll.

    Of course, AARP would jump into that fight.
  • Joshua_Whalen · 1 year ago
    What I find significant in the potential of an Obama presidency is the ascendancy of my generation to political center stage. Obama appeals to me, not because of anything he has said or done in his campaign, but because of where he comes from and where he's been and his particular journey to where he is now.

    In 1984, I was one of two lower east side housing activists who established a liason with the student anti-aparthied coalition at columbia university. The anti-aparthied movement had been brewing for almost a decade, but that was the year it began to boil.

    I approached the leadership of the movement with the concept of establishing linkage between the ethnicity-driven apartheid of South Africa with the economics driven divisions that were emerging in the USA and particularly NYC at the time.

    Out of this emerged the Direct Action Network, which drove the divestment of NYC's assets from SA's economy. We did this by intefering with the daily operations of all of SA's NYC based operations through various non-violent (but decidedly disruptive) methods, and it worked. It's pretty likely Barack Obama was in the room at a lot of those meetings. I won't name names, but many of the people I worked with in those early days now hold significant positions in the left wing of the Democratic party, or what I prefer to call the post-left wing. That was a phrase we used amongst ourselves in those days to describe our politics, and the infamously hijacked phrase "New Paradigm". When Clinton hijacked that phrase it made me sick to my stomach, especially since his use of it bore no resemblance to our agenda.

    Barack Obama didn't go to Yale. He went to Columbia. I'm a very litigious person, and I've worked with a lot of lawyers over the years. The Yaleies all act like they belong to a club, and your and your case are food for both sides lawyers. Ultimately, a Yale attorney works for the Yaleie legal elite. I have met NO exceptions to this rule. Columbia lawyers work for their clients. Yale is the most anglo-centric university in the Ivy League, Old Boy Elite U. Columbia is tied with Brown for most progressive, and easily leads the Ivy's in minority and economically challenged accessibility. Your school has a lot to do with how you see the world moving forward. Every thing you do with your life as an adult begins there. Columbia, in the early 80's, formed Obama's views. You can use the same words and phrases as another politician, and they can mean two entirely different things in practice. A welfare state, for example, to a Yaleie is the horror show we endured in the 70's and '80's: 4 out of 5 dollar budgeted for human services spent on making sure no one cheats, and hideous public housing projects that acted as incubators for poverty, drugs, disease, and despair, or for a Columbian, it means the very successful paradigm adopted by countries like sweden and Denmark, a system that vcatches you when you fall, prividess equal health services for all, and equal educvational opportunities for all.

    In those day, any time you engaged in any political action left of the center, you invariably were inundated with people fighting over the last battles of the '60's. As I told RJ Smith of the Village vVoice in 1988, the principal differences between people my age and those even only a few years older than us was the way certain ideas were controversies for older people, but for us were simply a done deal. Gender, and ethnic equality, were simply the way it was for people my age raised in progressive families, not the way it would be someday. For us, it was that way then. It had never been otherwise in our lives in our communities, only in the minds of older or much less educated people form other parts of the country that we had so little in common with we might well have been from different epochs, let alone different countries.

    That kind of nails it: Obama grew up in the America I grew up in: multi-ethnic, gender neutral, pro-choice, and mildly socialistic, but still entrepreneurial (hence post-left: Workers of the world.... relax.) and highly individualistic. The barriers we heard about on television seemed like transmissions from another planet, one we only visited when we went shopping on route 17 in New Jersey for bargains. Across the river, another planet.

    I suppose I sound like an elitist. Well, Barack gets called that a lot, doesn't he? But he and I belong to a special fraternity. We're the kids who were raised for the future that died with the election of Ronald Reagan, and we are both two of the very proud few who didn't throw in the towel and resign ourselves to life in 'Murka, but stuck to our principles, critiqued the errors that led to the Reagan-Bush error, and re-invented America. His victory is my victory. There hasn't been a presidential candidate I could say that about before. The globe in his 1st grade classroom was surfaced with the apollo 7 photographs of earth, and there were no thick black lines around the countries all in different colors like they were just a few years earlier. That is change. Even if his agenda never deviates from the old party line, I can count on the fact that his implementation will, because he comes from the same planet I come from: the beautiful blue one with no thick black lines, where the borders are all in your mind.



    BTW, I was born in March, 1961, at NY Infirmary on 14th st. In Manhattan.
  • fdsa · 1 year ago
    In terms of generation, I look forward to a presidential campaign where discussions of vietnam do not exist. And with no draft for all of the skirmishes over the last 25 years, I doubt we'll see candidates with any direct military involvement.
  • Joshua_Whalen · 1 year ago
    Exactly my point. The junk gets left behind, the lessons get baked-in, and we move on. At last.


    The real tragedy of the past 30 years is the way in which common-sense issues like renewable energy sources, healthy dietary standards, reproductive freedom, inter-ethnic equality, gender equality, etc... got lost in a tug of war that mostly had it's roots in who got labled "uncool" and who got invited to the good parties at Yale and Harvard in the late '60's and early '70's. ANYTHING that was associated with the dirty h ippies got labeled un-american, even if it was something as common-sensical as a lower-fat diet.

    Granted, that's a massive over-simplification, but I've always been a believer in party politics, i.e., that American politics is mostly about who's parties you get invited to. In a less frivolous context, you could really say that all politics is about the pursuit of alpha-status, that is, about mating privileges. The guy with the alpha female is automatically the alpha male, and vice-versa. If you look at it that way, it goes a long way towards explaining the disproportionate interest we seem to have with politicians sex lives. We want to believe our leaders are competent, but since alpha's never amount to more than 10% of a population, most of us don't want to be reminded that alphas get laid more than the majority of us do. When we're reminded of this, it sets off a dominance battle, which in our society is manifested as a media feeding frenzy, or an impeachment proceeding. Of course, cvonversley, if Clinton had been having an affair with say, Uma Thurman, the republicrats would have done their best to cover it up, because it would have contributed to his alpha-ness.

    I used to breed and train big, primitive dogs (Malamutes, Belgian Sheepdogs, Wolves) for a living. You learn a lot about the importance of mating behavior in the construction of social heirarchies when you have to keep a dozen or so 100 lb. plus carnivores from killing each other every day.

    Likewise, the resistance that each generation applies to it's successor is largely an expression of one's reproductive fitness. when you can't hold off the young wolves anymore, your mating days are over.

    I mention all this, because such a disproportianate percentagve of the political log jams today stem from on-going conflicts between the percieved winners and losers of the late '60's/early 70's mating games. The dirty hippies got all the good (girls/boys), and everyone else is STILL jealous. The most perverse expression of this is the way the -self-perceived less-reproductively-successful try to get revenge by sabotaging the winner's offspring.


    Thank FSM it's almost over.
  • Disgruntled · 1 year ago
    The worst reason to vote for a candidate is that he's not someone else (someone else who isn't even running, by the way). Obama will win, but will be a lot like Clinton; he will do a lot of things which are bad for the country in the name of "bipartisanship." The Democrats should have fielded a better candidate.
  • Boredcollegekid · 1 year ago
    How can I put faith in Obama? I supported him through the primaries due to his support of FISA. Then after the primaries are over and he is the candidate, he changes his mind, goes against everything he said in the primary campaigns and votes for it. Thats not the only flip-flop hes done, but people seem to forget these. Seriously Dave how can stand behind someone who doesn't even know what position he himself holds?
  • Joshua_Whalen · 1 year ago
    Yeah, I wanted to clock him one for that, too. It's not Obama I believe in, it's simply the changing of the guard that he represents that has me optimistic. I don't have faith in politicians, period. None. I have faith in inevitable historical processes, the changes they necessitate, and the possible routes to successful implementation of said changes. We've done what we've done and our options are what our options are because of that. In that context, he's not a bad choice.
  • Brian Ehmann · 1 year ago
    Sure, Change like a 13% tax increase for my tax bracket? Sorry, but I didn't go to college and spend my nights and weekends in books just so I can make more money to give to the Federal government. Plus, I, like many Americans, am stretched financially. If Obama takes an extra $1000 per month out of my paycheck I won't be able to make my mortgage payment and I'll lose my house.

    Sorry, but losing my home is not the kind of Change I want to believe in.
  • RacerRick · 1 year ago
    I don't think Columbo is the right reference. He seemed like a bumbler, but it was all a brilliant act.

    Also, your buddy Jason Calacanis used a Columbo reference in his email newsletter yesterday as well!
  • Micah Hobart · 1 year ago
    Wow you are crazy. I am doing all I can to get McCain elected. You think the economy is tough now? Wait to Obama gets his say in things. Our future is too important to entrust to a rookie who's only been in office 2 years. The last thing we need is the government controlling everything we do, the health care we get, the education our children receive, and all the while being complicit and negotiating with known terrorists.
  • Ab · 1 year ago
    If Obama is for Change, He hasn't done a lot of changing in his terms in IL and Washington. McCain will just be Bush '08 But at least a true american patriot. I'd prefer Nader if you really want change.