Scripting News: Proof that the end is near (Scripting News)
Jim Kukral
· 1 year ago
I ran for the video blogging hills, almost off the exact same sentiment, and I've only been text blogging since 2001.
Steve
· 1 year ago
they refer to it as "the 250"
lgedeon
· 1 year ago
There is still a lot of original thought in the blogosphere. It is just hard to find. See, people who are working on big ideas and original thought are too busy working on the idea to spend time on SEO, and getting the attention of the A-list. If you want to find original thought you are going to have to do some old fashion searching on the topics you care about. With RSS your search will pay-off for months or years after, but you have to occasionally go out and actively search.
I do agree with you that the end is near, though. But, that is a good thing. We need an end to all the old stuff (5 years is a long time, right?), to make room for the new.
Jeremy Toeman
· 1 year ago
Hard to find? HARDLY. It's very easy to find. Just don't look to TechMeme for it (nothing wrong with techmeme, but it's not about finding original thought, that is explicitly not its purpose)...
Michael Bailey
· 1 year ago
That's a bunch of crap - I dump out original ideas almost on a daily basis, via Twitter. You and others don't listen to me b/c you are waiting for some A-lister to say the exact same thing that I just did.
howardlindzon
· 1 year ago
you sound upset.
fredwilson
· 1 year ago
the end of something is always near, unfortunately
but so is the birth.
you've been at the forefront of many of them dave, so i'll keep following you even if you stop following me!
Robert Seidman
· 1 year ago
So Dave, seriously man, do you just completely lack the self-awareness that would allow you to see that to anyone with a 3 digit IQ you come off in this type of stuff (whether it be Adam, or Jason, or Michael, or, who's next, Perez Hilton?) seeming like it's completely motivated by the sour grapes of envy. Or do you totally lack that sort of self awareness and should I just be sad for you? When is it ever on you? Never?
Right now, I'm more sad for Stephen Curry and Davidson, but, if you're really that lacking in self-awareness, I am sad for you too. And if you're not that lacking in self-awareness, then you are just mean and bitter....eewwwww. You don't really want to be perceived like that by reasonable people, do you? Or are you OK with it in the name of traffic? That would make you some sort of Valleywag adjunct...more eeewwww. Though I'd be lying like a mofo if I said I didn't want to see you and Perez going at it in the blogsphere just because his blog is so much more valuable than yours (like Arringtons, like Mahalo. For what it's worth, I never actually never read Adam C., but as the father or RSS, I read you frequently so you may have the upper hand in that one).
You seemingly should be one of the most gracious people on the Interent. But you're not, and I wonder why. I took my website out of this because I don't want you to think it's about generating traffic for me. It's not. It's about me wanting to see the father or RSS not acting like a douchebag.
p.s. DISQUS sucks AGAIN, it keeps giving me a popup to please check my URL (this field is optional) message, even though the field is NOT apparently optional, so I posted your link in it
dave
· 1 year ago
Sorry I have no idea what you're talking about. Why don't you try this -- speak for yourself, and stop trying to tell me about me. I think that's why your writing is coming out so disjointed. Just a theory.
John Furrier
· 1 year ago
It sounds like the blogosphere is becoming a joke.
I blog for comments to other stories and for my original thoughts. I post only orginal thoughts and opinions. Blogging and now twittering is about sharing ideas and collaborating imho. Posting original ideas, comments, and opinions is the only way to get a connection...
One thing about being a visionary is that I can see these things coming a mile away - this kind of splintering or cival unrest in the blogosphere has been brewing for sometime. It's a symptom of the leadership in the blogosphere which Dave you are one of.
It's not really "the blogosphere" that became a joke -- there's a lot of blogging going on that has nothing to do with tech. I pay much more attention to the political techmeme these days than I do to the tech one (still have yet to get a post over there, and I *want* it). I could give a shit about techmeme, because it only picks up my bullshit posts like this one. The interesting ones never make it on.
Same as it always was, I couldn't get CNET to take us seriously when we were pushing RSS and related technologies, now it's not CNET but the gatekeepers at TechMeme. Difference is I'm not running a company now, I don't have a burn rate, nor do I have to make payroll, and I'm not trying to push anything ambitious like RSS. Just little projects here and there.
John Furrier
· 1 year ago
I'm not disagreeing with you on this one dave but merely pointing out how you can be more active than one post. I find myself looking at both the political techmeme and ballbug for stories but more and more twitter is becoming a signaling system for my 'navigation or attention'.
I remember when you 'over linked' to techcrunch everyday when it formed and promoted their initial flow - so why don't you do the same for someone else. Some people are saying that sites like Techcrunch prefer to lead with a sword verses collaboration and that is leading to blogwars and ill will.
Ontario Emperor
· 1 year ago
Me too.
Seriously, regurgitation does allow the original message to be spread more widely. If I hadn't seen your post, I never would have read Mark Evans' post.
Now I just have to share Evans' post with eight people...um, maybe not.
Chewxy
· 1 year ago
True pwn. What I've been saying for years
Chewxy
· 1 year ago
In retrospection, though, you probably shouldn't give up blogging... It's always good to have an avenue to air one's thoughts
dave
· 1 year ago
I'm not giving up blogging. I saw one of the echo chamber blogs say that they thought I was saying that, but it's nowhere in the piece, and not on my mind. I just unfollowed from a bunch of people I had stopped partying with a very long time ago, and then lost interest in, and now find offensive. I gave myself permission to get the fuck out of deadwood and head for the hills.
mrshl
· 1 year ago
meh, that's what happens when there are zero barriers to entry and there's money to be made. a bunch of people start talking about whatever seems to worth the trouble.
but i focus on one thing you said which seems unrelated to the traditional market market cycles of boom and bust, and that's how the tech blogging community seems to have forgotten about how markets grow: by engaging the unconverted.
"Somewhere at the end of the chain there are products and users, forgotten in all the drama."
For example, the recent hype surrounding FriendFeed and its enormous growth seems to be entirely focused on growth among the Technorati. I love FriendFeed, but 99% of my friends aren't on it, which diminishes (but does not eliminate) its utility. Who cares if all the "A-listers" and tech-bloggers are on it? Its enormous promise won't be realized until normal people start using it.
But you seem to suggest, and I would agree, that there are a whole lot of folks talking to themselves and not so much to users. I dunno if that's part of what you were saying, but I've noticed a lot of choir-preaching and navel gazing. Doesn't seem to be a lot of actual evangelizing going on under the Techmeme tent.
Mindy McAdams
· 1 year ago
So hilarious! The Mathew Ingram line knocked me over. (Surely he's not the last one.)
Damon Billian
· 1 year ago
Given that I generally don't read as many tech blogs these days, I will explain how I feel about the blogosphere right now...
1. The conversations don't often discuss anything other than tech. How is that very interesting? I would most certainly hope that many of the people that do engage in some way lead lives not entirely related to the internet. 2. Headlines seem to be: Google is doing this. Yahoo did this. Apple did this. Microsoft is doing this. Twitter is doing this. (Insert blogger name here) said this. I don't like this (insert company name) anymore because they did XYZ. Use product xyz or you suck. etc., etc.
A key problem with the blogosphere is that it is also not entirely democratic as people would like to think it is. It seems like the whole process has devolved to linking to people you know only & you rarely seem to hear thoughts from some of the "regular" guys out there.
"For example, the recent hype surrounding FriendFeed and its enormous growth seems to be entirely focused on growth among the Technorati. I love FriendFeed, but 99% of my friends aren't on it, which diminishes (but does not eliminate) its utility. Who cares if all the "A-listers" and tech-bloggers are on it? Its enormous promise won't be realized until normal people start using it."
I couldn't say the above any better:) The true test of a product is if the general public accepts it; while you can have a serviceable niche product, many of the things we get told we *should be using* don't carryover well to the general populace.
Sam
· 1 year ago
It was interesting to see that in the graphical mapping of the blogosphere, political blogs were much more 2-way connections, while the tech 'nexus' of blogging was all one way--very interesting to see that kind of disconnect between different blogging flavors and the way it plays out, where for tech people would write about something but it was less a conversation and more talking into the void.
A member of the A list.
· 1 year ago
Are you kidding, Dave?
I thought you said you were unplugging. Stop reading TechMeme. I command it (and I'm not kidding).
And don't act like this is a recent thing for you to start unplugging from the "A-Listers" or the "Superdelegates" or whatever. You've been unsubscribed from me on everything you had previously added me on for quite some time. I can only expect it's for the same reason I found your tweets to be unbelievably annoying - we're from opposite sides of the political aisle.
And it's the same reason I ultimately reciprocated your unsubscribes and unfollows (as well as that pinko Marc Canter). You don't know how to phrase anything in terms that aren't derogatory to anyone with a different opinion from you, technology or political.
In short, folks like me (that have actually been blogging longer than you, you arrogant ass), find you just as repugnant as you find us.
Good riddance. Stay gone this time.
dave
· 1 year ago
I wonder who this guy is? I had a theory until I got to the part about how "folks like me" have been blogging longer than I have. Any thoughts? Mr A, care to decloak? (No hard feelings about the "arrogant ass" bit, I was aware that this piece was arrogant, and well if you want to call me an ass, who cares.)
Ross McKillop
· 1 year ago
Just a troll. No member of the "A-list" would remain anonymous like that. They adore the attention way to much.
Clay
· 1 year ago
Hmmm.... It can't be ME because it's for sure that Dave's been blogging longer than me (since I LEARNED about online stuff from his writing (starting with Clay Basket)...
How come Disqus says I can claim the A List identity... I'm tempted... but I really don't care.
And Mark Canter is a PINKO? Cool. He goes up a notch.
Art Lindsey III
· 1 year ago
The Tech industry and its bloggers ARE a lot like the democratic party. A bunch of hippies who pontificate about everything and actually know very little. All we have to do is paint Robert Scoble a nice shade of brown, make a few music videos about him, insert fawning geeks and we're set. Instant messiah!
"Sco-ble! Sco-ble!" (Crowd faints)
Of course the blogosphere is full of boobs. Otherwise, there would be no room for Winer and Canter.
Ross McKillop
· 1 year ago
I have a new hero, and that hero is you. Thank you so very, very, very much for saying what so many of us have thought for quite a while now.
Michael Bailey
· 1 year ago
Well gee Dave - now that you have tuned your signal-to-noise ratio, perhaps you will hear me on Twitter when I @ you, as I have done on numerous occasions in the past......all ignored. No biggie, but just sayin' You talk about the little guy, but what do you mean? The little A-list guy, or the actual little guy?
@mobasoft
dave
· 1 year ago
I read everything people send me on Twitter, so its incorrect to say I ignore your posts. But if I don't have something to say I don't say anything. And I haven't responded to guilt trips since going through my midlife crisis some years ago, so no point trying to lay that one on me.
Michael Bailey
· 1 year ago
Thanks for assuming that everyone has an agenda - I was speaking more from the fact that we both share the same air and walk on the same planet. I attempt to speak to you in a civil manner, yet feel shunned or ignored while I do observe that you respond, but only to a 'select few'.
Will it make my day if you respond? No, not in the least - I'm not a fanboy by any means. I do have plenty of ideas, such as 2-way RSS, but you seem to be satisfied with taking credit for it's implementation and that's about it - if you ever decided to devote some time to conversing about the possibilities of making the web a better place, instead of spending your time bashing the same people who helped you achieve your notoriety, look me up - I'm easy to find.
dave
· 1 year ago
Perfect example of why its often better not to respond.
Michael Bailey
· 1 year ago
I don't understand that, really. If you would like to talk coding, standards, future possibilities, I'd love the dialog. Your call.
Nobody
· 1 year ago
Don't you get it, Dude. You aren't cool enough to converse with dwiner. Just follow along and tweet to the other nobodies -- like me.
interesting my comments have to be appoved, so if we disagree you or your modertor will just delete, fine by me, that's the beauty of the internet, you don't like it, just delete it. Sigh, what ever happend to dialog?
vince
· 9 months ago
he's on his way back and because you know who he is proves it!
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I do agree with you that the end is near, though. But, that is a good thing. We need an end to all the old stuff (5 years is a long time, right?), to make room for the new.
You and others don't listen to me b/c you are waiting for some A-lister to say the exact same thing that I just did.
but so is the birth.
you've been at the forefront of many of them dave, so i'll keep following you even if you stop following me!
Right now, I'm more sad for Stephen Curry and Davidson, but, if you're really that lacking in self-awareness, I am sad for you too. And if you're not that lacking in self-awareness, then you are just mean and bitter....eewwwww. You don't really want to be perceived like that by reasonable people, do you? Or are you OK with it in the name of traffic? That would make you some sort of Valleywag adjunct...more eeewwww. Though I'd be lying like a mofo if I said I didn't want to see you and Perez going at it in the blogsphere just because his blog is so much more valuable than yours (like Arringtons, like Mahalo. For what it's worth, I never actually never read Adam C., but as the father or RSS, I read you frequently so you may have the upper hand in that one).
You seemingly should be one of the most gracious people on the Interent. But you're not, and I wonder why. I took my website out of this because I don't want you to think it's about generating traffic for me. It's not. It's about me wanting to see the father or RSS not acting like a douchebag.
p.s. DISQUS sucks AGAIN, it keeps giving me a popup to please check my URL (this field is optional) message, even though the field is NOT apparently optional, so I posted your link in it
I blog for comments to other stories and for my original thoughts. I post only orginal thoughts and opinions. Blogging and now twittering is about sharing ideas and collaborating imho. Posting original ideas, comments, and opinions is the only way to get a connection...
One thing about being a visionary is that I can see these things coming a mile away - this kind of splintering or cival unrest in the blogosphere has been brewing for sometime. It's a symptom of the leadership in the blogosphere which Dave you are one of.
http://furrier.org/2007/12/18/why-i-like-dave-w...
Same as it always was, I couldn't get CNET to take us seriously when we were pushing RSS and related technologies, now it's not CNET but the gatekeepers at TechMeme. Difference is I'm not running a company now, I don't have a burn rate, nor do I have to make payroll, and I'm not trying to push anything ambitious like RSS. Just little projects here and there.
I remember when you 'over linked' to techcrunch everyday when it formed and promoted their initial flow - so why don't you do the same for someone else. Some people are saying that sites like Techcrunch prefer to lead with a sword verses collaboration and that is leading to blogwars and ill will.
Seriously, regurgitation does allow the original message to be spread more widely. If I hadn't seen your post, I never would have read Mark Evans' post.
Now I just have to share Evans' post with eight people...um, maybe not.
but i focus on one thing you said which seems unrelated to the traditional market market cycles of boom and bust, and that's how the tech blogging community seems to have forgotten about how markets grow: by engaging the unconverted.
"Somewhere at the end of the chain there are products and users, forgotten in all the drama."
For example, the recent hype surrounding FriendFeed and its enormous growth seems to be entirely focused on growth among the Technorati. I love FriendFeed, but 99% of my friends aren't on it, which diminishes (but does not eliminate) its utility. Who cares if all the "A-listers" and tech-bloggers are on it? Its enormous promise won't be realized until normal people start using it.
But you seem to suggest, and I would agree, that there are a whole lot of folks talking to themselves and not so much to users. I dunno if that's part of what you were saying, but I've noticed a lot of choir-preaching and navel gazing. Doesn't seem to be a lot of actual evangelizing going on under the Techmeme tent.
1. The conversations don't often discuss anything other than tech. How is that very interesting? I would most certainly hope that many of the people that do engage in some way lead lives not entirely related to the internet.
2. Headlines seem to be:
Google is doing this.
Yahoo did this.
Apple did this.
Microsoft is doing this.
Twitter is doing this.
(Insert blogger name here) said this.
I don't like this (insert company name) anymore because they did XYZ.
Use product xyz or you suck.
etc., etc.
A key problem with the blogosphere is that it is also not entirely democratic as people would like to think it is. It seems like the whole process has devolved to linking to people you know only & you rarely seem to hear thoughts from some of the "regular" guys out there.
"For example, the recent hype surrounding FriendFeed and its enormous growth seems to be entirely focused on growth among the Technorati. I love FriendFeed, but 99% of my friends aren't on it, which diminishes (but does not eliminate) its utility. Who cares if all the "A-listers" and tech-bloggers are on it? Its enormous promise won't be realized until normal people start using it."
I couldn't say the above any better:) The true test of a product is if the general public accepts it; while you can have a serviceable niche product, many of the things we get told we *should be using* don't carryover well to the general populace.
I thought you said you were unplugging. Stop reading TechMeme. I command it (and I'm not kidding).
And don't act like this is a recent thing for you to start unplugging from the "A-Listers" or the "Superdelegates" or whatever. You've been unsubscribed from me on everything you had previously added me on for quite some time. I can only expect it's for the same reason I found your tweets to be unbelievably annoying - we're from opposite sides of the political aisle.
And it's the same reason I ultimately reciprocated your unsubscribes and unfollows (as well as that pinko Marc Canter). You don't know how to phrase anything in terms that aren't derogatory to anyone with a different opinion from you, technology or political.
In short, folks like me (that have actually been blogging longer than you, you arrogant ass), find you just as repugnant as you find us.
Good riddance. Stay gone this time.
How come Disqus says I can claim the A List identity... I'm tempted... but I really don't care.
And Mark Canter is a PINKO? Cool. He goes up a notch.
"Sco-ble! Sco-ble!" (Crowd faints)
Of course the blogosphere is full of boobs. Otherwise, there would be no room for Winer and Canter.
You talk about the little guy, but what do you mean? The little A-list guy, or the actual little guy?
@mobasoft
Will it make my day if you respond? No, not in the least - I'm not a fanboy by any means.
I do have plenty of ideas, such as 2-way RSS, but you seem to be satisfied with taking credit for it's implementation and that's about it - if you ever decided to devote some time to conversing about the possibilities of making the web a better place, instead of spending your time bashing the same people who helped you achieve your notoriety, look me up - I'm easy to find.
It's all so depressing.
www.theendisnear.co.uk
Creepy.