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Scripting News: Reminder: Why I switched to Mac in 2005 (Scripting News)

  • Joel Tanner · 9 months ago
    Symantec AV Corp and Windows Defender usually installed will keep the monsters away. You may also want to stop using IE.... "It's Evil", and stick with FF, Safari or Chrome. IE is the root of the problem.
  • dave · 9 months ago
    1. I use Firefox, not IE.

    2. I've been trying to download Windows Defender with IE (they won't let you
    download it with Firefox), with no luck. Could be the infection.

    3. I don't use IE.

    4. I don't use IE.

    5. Please don't tell me not to use IE.
  • Sean O · 9 months ago
    Dave, if you do give it another go-round, be sure to disable Java -- the source of many malware exploits -- in Firefox for an extra layer of protection. Some recommend NOSCRIPT as well, I find that to be restrictive versus any security benefits. Or you can use the speed demon Google Chrome, if you don't run any "must-have" FF extensions. I second the Symantec Corp. AV & Win Defender as well.
  • dave · 9 months ago
    Interesting. One of the first things that the computer asked to do on
    startup was to update Java, which I did. Never thought to disable it. Should
    have.

    I would run Chrome but I do need Firefox to manage my S3 and EC2 accounts.

    Thanks for the tips.
  • billhelm · 9 months ago
    http://forums.spybot.info/showthread.php?t=279

    recommend the info found in that thread regarding Java and general precautions.

    the reality of running in a windows environment is that more precautions than ever need to be taken to avoid this stuff. I was lax about it and got hit with something similar.

    I set up my system with many of these precautions, but I find the usability of the system to be far decreased as constantly popping alerts from firewall programs, anti-spyware trackers and the like.

    it's a shame and something that microsoft really ought to work on. We ought to be able to secure this stuff without having to resort to an almost unusable work environment.
  • eas · 9 months ago
    The Cyberduck file transfer client handles S3. Now that Amazon has a web based console for managing EC2, do you still need Firefox?
  • Ignobilitor · 9 months ago
    Hooray! You get to keep using Windows!!
  • Stanley_Krute · 9 months ago
    I spend approx. half my time taking care of folks computers. Once tweaked by me, these folks only get infected if they fall for some sort of social trap. Some info from that practice:

    [1] I don't use Symantec products. I consider them virii themselves, due to the way they abuse the windows registry. They jumped the shark about 10 years ago.

    [2] Avast is a great free anti-virus these days. Best of the lot.

    [3] I don't use Windows Defender. Too much of a performance hit. Spybot TeaTimer's a good substitute if you've had problems w/ things attaching themselves into startup slots.

    [4] Never had a problem w/ Java being a source of infections.

    [5] ZoneAlarm firewall has also jumped the shark. That's okay, as the Windows Firewall has matured to the point that it's a good product.

    [6] For sites that INSIST on IE as a browser, there's a great Firefox add-on, IE Tab, that lets you set up URLs for embedded IE handling.

    More data than you ever needed, eh ?

    -- stan

    ps -- the 1000HE is a remarkable little machine. I've now got 2 customers w/ them, and have just ordered my own. thanks Asus.
  • Stanley_Krute · 9 months ago
    Boot up into Safe Mode.
    Run MalwareBytes Anti-Malware from in there.
    Run RunScanner from in there.
    That'll let you get most known current rootkits.
    -- stan
  • lmorchard · 9 months ago
    For what it's worth, you could try running Ubuntu Linux, if you're feeling spunky. It's surprisingly usable and not so futzy. I've had the OPML Editor running via Wine before, but that's a different flavor of canned worms than what you're dealing with now. Might be on par with a hackintosh attempt.
  • dave · 9 months ago
    As you guessed I need a machine that runs the OPML Editor. Without that
    there's no point. So that means either Windows or Mac, until someone does a
    port to Linux.
  • lmorchard · 9 months ago
    Figured I'd help get the Linux suggestion out of the way :)
  • AndrewBurton · 9 months ago
    I don't think I've ever seen you talk about this, but if you have and I missed it, I apologize.

    Is there any way to move everything Frontier does, or at least the subset you do on your Eee, to the web? I'm still pretty green when it comes to Frontier and its scripting language, so this may be trickier than it sounds, but I know the Frontier Admin screen is web-based and making outlines in text fields is simple with Markdown. I ask because a web-based, front end would seem to solve your problem with using Linux-based netbooks.
  • Buzz Bruggeman · 9 months ago
    We have a bunch of people using Sysem 7 on Netbooks. So far no one is complaining about the experience.

    Not hard to install, and seems to run very well. You might consider trying it
  • cshotton · 9 months ago
    FYI, here's a rough overview of making a Hackintosh (at least how I did it):

    I made a Hacintosh out of my MSI Wind in about 20 minutes of effort, interspersed with some download time and some (obvious) time waiting for the installer to run. It was very simple to get a copy of the OS X Installer on a memory stick, boot from it, and complete the install. There are a few subtle points that the how-to I used neglected, so if you really get into it, I am glad to pass along more details. But it was generally painless.

    There are 2 distinct methods that people will advocate, either using an external DVD drive and a stock OS X install disk with some custom boot block code on the internal drive, or a method using a largish USB memory stick and a copy of the OS Installer disk image on the stick.

    I opted for the latter method with the Wind. The conceptual overview goes something like this (using a 4 gig stick and assuming you have a Mac to help with the process):

    1. Obtain a copy of the OS X disk image suitable for your machine. There was a torrent out there for the MSIWindOSX.dmg file that I used. I am sure there is something similar for the Asus. I'll poke around and see if I find a torrent file I can forward. Only difference would be a few hardware-specific drivers since the machines are mostly clones of each other.

    2. Use the OSX86Tools.app on a Mac (or equivalent utility on PC) to make the memory stick bootable by a PC and properly formatted.

    3. Use the OS X DiskUtility program to restore the disk image file to the memory stick.

    4. Boot the Asus into the BIOS screen and tell it to boot from USB first, then insert the stick and reboot.

    5. From this point on, you should be dealing with the normal Mac OS X installer screens. You'd probably need to use one of the menu options to bail out of the installer and format the Asus internal drive appropriately (GUID partition table), then proceed with the normal install after the hard drive is prepared.

    Once all that was done, I found that I needed to get a few more drivers to enable some stuff like multi-touch gestures on the trackpad and the non-standard WiFi hardware that the Wind ships with. However, I get the impression that the Asus has had more "Hackintosh" effort applied to it and should be an easier process.
  • cshotton · 9 months ago
    Caveat -- after a little poking around, it looks like the Asus support is definitely there, but no one has yet done an "all-in-one" installer image with the necessary kernel extensions already in place as with the Wind disk image I mentioned above. So there are some extra steps to take after the basic install is done to get the necessary kernel extensions copied and installed. Nothing particularly hard, just a little bit of tedious unix command line fiddling to unarchive and copy stuff.
  • dave · 9 months ago
    Chuck -- first -- THANKS for pouring all this effort into it. I really
    appreciate it. At the right time, I'm going to do this. But not now.

    I had a brilliant breakthrough idea (if I do say so myself).

    Amazon will let me return this thing, for full credit.

    Think about that. I can rid myself of this virus and let THEM worry about
    reformatting and reinstalling the OS.

    I'll just change a few passwords and that's the end of that.

    Sometimes the best thing to do is what Indiana Jones did with the Turkish
    knife thrower.

    Dave
  • AlanY · 9 months ago
    If you return it, you might consider either the MSI Wind or the Dell Mini 9, since both seem a little easier to get a Hackintosh running on. In particular the Gizmodo guide that someone else has already mentioned for the Mini 9 is fantastic. I think in general OS X is a better netbook OS... netbooks are supposed to be hassle free secondary machines. My gut feeling is that if Apple doesn't get moving in this segment a decent proportion of Mac users will be running Hackintoshes.
  • stwf · 9 months ago
    and that will buy you what? Another 10 hours of use until you are infected again? Windows is broken!
  • dave · 9 months ago
    FYI -- this is bullshit. I have two other Windows machines that run fine,
    are not infected with anything, and work exactly like my Macs. I don't know
    what's in it for you to trash Windows like this, but you're wrong. (Whoever
    "stwf" is.)
  • stwf · 9 months ago
    wow, excitable! I didn't realize my post was so incendiary, you're the one who put up a post about how a brand new machine is infected with malware, and how MS seems to think its ok to make you spend money to fix the problems in their operating system.

    I've never had that happen on a Mac, not even once. Have you figured out how your current system got trashed? If not then its just a matter of time until it happens again, right?

    Of course if the Mac had as big market share it would have viruses too, but its a moot point, since they don't. I also doubt Apple would so easily tell you to use 3rd party software, I like to think they'd go out of their way to handle it themselves.

    Deep down we all know MS no longer cares about viruses in XP, since their future depends on you upgrading to Vista.
  • MyVoice · 9 months ago
    Gizmodo had a article on hackintoshing a Dell mini 9 on Feb 21 by John Mahoney. Since it is against the Apple EULA to install on a non-Apple machine it may have been removed by now.

    If it is not available I have a PDF version of the article knowing it may be deleted. May I suggest using Avast A/V instead of trying to download Windows defender? I use Avast on my XP, Vista, and Win7 box without any problems.
  • AndrewBurton · 9 months ago
    From my own recent experience with malware, I'm pretty sure the viruses use security holes in Java, so it doesn't matter which browser you use. They also dump DLL's in the system32 directory so it's impossible to clean off your computer without booting to another OS. In my cases, I used Ubuntu, dug into my system32 directory, found the latest DLL's with screwy names and deleted them, and that seemed to work. (You have to be careful though, deleting the wrong DLL will force you to re-register your copy of XP.)
  • Chris · 9 months ago
    If everyone switched to Macs, wouldn't we (eventually) have the same problem?

    I guess that's not something we have to worry about for a long time, eh?
  • Colin Faulkingham · 9 months ago
    If you're that frustrated, you should sell the damn thing on eBay or give it to a friend and then go buy a new one. Taking advantage of Amazon generous return policy is wrong IMHO.
  • dave · 9 months ago
    Some comments are so off the wall as to deserve that being pointed out. :-)
  • Scott N. · 9 months ago
    Thanks for this post. I've decided to switch this year to Mac because of my exasperation with malware with Windows. Windows is simply not secure and the viruses are getting harder to remove. Used ComboFix recently to rid my computer of Vundo variant after all other methods failed. Fresh install of Windows is often the best option, but is very time consuming because you have to reinstall ALL your applications and settings. To do reinstall using OSX is an "archive and install", which preserves your data, settings and applications while loading a clean copy of the OS. The fact that tech writers are almost compltetly absent in regards to any serious discussion about the security problems with Windows is major bone of contention with me.
  • Michael E. Rubin · 9 months ago
    "I don't use MSIE. Please no need to tell me not to use IE. I use Firefox."

    Exactly, Dave. I've been told by tech support before that they wouldn't help unless I switched to MSIE. This makes no sense, and is a non-starter as a technical solution. Which browser you run shouldn't matter one iota. Blaming a computer problem on a browser is like blaming God for the weather. It just doesn't matter.

    Keep digging.
  • dave · 9 months ago
    Microsoft still hates its users after all these years. I couldn't believe
    how they stood by and did NOTHING when their users were being picked off by
    malware. This is the company that viciously defended its turf against
    Netscape, yet when the threat really was harmful, when they went after their
    customers, never got the clue that they needed to get inbetween the
    vulnerable users and the predators. They still don't get it. If I use
    Firefox on Windows -- they're still making most of the money. Some of that
    should go to defending Firefox users against the craziness.
  • shokk · 9 months ago
    You're just buying time with a move to the Mac. As it gains popularity, its vulnerabilities will be targeted. Like any other UNIX, it is only as strong as its weakest link. Take a look at the patch list for OSs like Red Hat or Solaris any given month. There are dozens upon dozens of security fixes. You're only kidding yourself if that's why you moved to the Mac.

    But damn that interface is pretty. I'll be getting my MBP17 some time this spring. Why? Because it's UNIX underneath it all and I'm a UNIX geek. And it's the UNIX GUI everyone's been searching for all these years.
  • Scott N. · 9 months ago
    Don't bother with Windows Defender. It's hopeless at removing and detecting viruses. The only positive thing I think of can say about it has a good interface. A lot better than Norton, which has unbelievability bad UI. Keeping a Windows PC free from viruses./malware is nearly impossible task given the amount of software a heavy user is installing. Windows machines are inherently not secure. The fact you have to buy a security package for Windows is admission of this fact. I'm sure Bruce Schneier would argue security software package opens up Windows machine up to another type of threat that is just as serious.
  • Scott N. · 9 months ago
    Microsoft hates its users. It demonstrates its contempt by blaming users for malware or by arguing that much of the Windows security issues are related to its market dominance.
  • Josh · 9 months ago
    Try Trinity Rescue Kit. From the website:

    Trinity Rescue Kit or TRK is a free live Linux distribution that aims specifically at recovery and repair operations on Windows machines, but is equally usable for Linux recovery issues.

    http://bit.ly/EYUaN
  • Bill · 9 months ago
    I'm assuming you've fully patched the machine through Windows Update?
  • eas · 9 months ago
    A bit late for that, isn't it?
  • Richard · 9 months ago
    Someone mentioned it earlier in the comments but to reiterate MalwareBytes is the best program right now for removing this sort of thing http://malwarebytes.org
  • Kevin Strasser · 9 months ago
    Get a MacBook air and use that instead. As easy to tote around as a EeePC. Version 1 is readily available for around $900 or so. An expensive Netbook for sure...but I love mine. Also love having a fullsize keyboard and bigger screen.
  • sirshannon · 9 months ago
    the last time I was infected, I tried unsuccessfully to remove it using my (non-free) Norton Antivirus, among other programs, but finally removed it completely by using the free downloadable "run once" version of Microsoft's Malicious Software Removable Tool. I had to run it 3 times but it worked.
  • Thejesh GN · 9 months ago
    Run crunchbang linux
  • Charlie · 9 months ago
    Dave,

    Try www.reimage.com/home to fix your PC. The service basically reimages your OS and should get rid of the malware without touching your user files. No spyware (I am an investor).
  • elevatelocal · 9 months ago
    I had the same thing happen when I installed windows7 beta on Wind Netbook dual booting with OSX86. I git virus from a rar file downloaded from shareware site .Solution was to wipe partition and reinstall Win 7 . Faster than Spybot antivirus time drains.