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Scripting News: Scoble, your blog still loves you (Scripting News)

  • Scobleizer · 4 months ago
    Thanks, Dave, I appreciate it. I did get a lot of out FriendFeed and continue to do so. Tons of friends. A new look at my brother, who is even more active on the service than I am. Tons of mentions in blogs and articles because I was a passionate user of the service. Oh, and I got a cool T-shirt. Plus I had a front row seat at the new real-time web and that will continue to pay off. But I am definitely going to spend more time on my blog and over on http://building43.com. See you there!
  • Paul Chaney · 4 months ago
    Robert, after having spoken to you and heard some emotion in your voice, then reading this, I totally agree with Dave. YOU deserve more than just a little credit. The social media sphere will see that you get it, if no one else does. "Natural born evangelist" is right... and a friend to us all. Kudos to you my friend. Don't ever stop doing what you're doing.
  • ianbetteridge · 4 months ago
    I wouldn't be fair to say that Robert got suckered, but he did forget the number one rule of business: The duty of any business is to maximise its value for the shareholders. It's something that gets forgotten the instant you cross the line from liking someone's products to be a "fan" or an "evangelist". If you give something for free, including your attention and your promotional abilities, don't expect a reward. You won't get one.
  • Mark Essel · 4 months ago
    Robert has served as a passionate leader to bloggers even if he hasn't blogged quite as often the last year or so. I enjoyed leveraging the great utility of friendfeed to support my blogging. I really loved getting the embed on my blog right after you told us how you did it a while before building43 came out.
  • ianbetteridge · 4 months ago
    Blogging has a "leader"?
  • Mark Essel · 4 months ago
    What category would you place Fred Wilson, Seth Godin, Dave Winer, and Robert Scoble. These gentlemen are leaders. And their influence is a function of their dedication to sustained thougtful sharing.

    That's leadership in my book Ian.
  • ianbetteridge · 4 months ago
    No, it's not. All of the above might be good at what they do; they might be ahead of the curve when it comes to adoption of practices and technologies; but they're not "leaders" unless the rest of us are "followers".

    I started blogging in 2001, after Scoble. Was he a "leader" to me? No - he was a peer, someone doing the same sort of stuff as me. I relate to all of the above as peers, not as "leaders". That's the great thing about the Internet - you're only a follower if you want to be one. You get to define your own power relations.
  • Mark Essel · 4 months ago
    Just because they aren't your leaders Ian, doesn't discount that they are leaders to many others. The role of leader and follower is dynamic and topical.
  • Daniel Latorre · 4 months ago
    Between the demise of Tr.im and Facebook's acquisition diluting the love poured into FriendFeed (by those who for some reason used it as anything other than an aggregation tool) I find it really good to go back and re-read Jason Scott's lovely prose in his post entitled "FUCK THE CLOUD" http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1717

    It's like cold shower, refreshing and a bit extreme, but closer to a grounded reality than the "embrace the cloud" mantra of so many with all its caveat emptor Libertarian BS & attendant lack of any sense of communal (dare I say "civic") purpose in building something that lasts for more than just business reasons.
  • oliverg · 4 months ago
    Great post ... but then again U use disqs to store Ur comments )
  • jasonn · 4 months ago
    Robert lives on (literally) the good faith of building others' brands. It's what he's done much of his career. But, there's a serious lesson in this recent exchange for people building a brand they actually own - don't get too heavily weighted in a single network. One network can make you, but it can as easily break or disappear.

    I bet many thought FriendFeed could have been the next David vs. the many Goliaths, around for a while, beating out the big brands in niche usership - especially a tech savvy crowd. Scoble is smart enough to have placed his eggs in every basket, to some degree. But, he's definitely feeling a tinge today and wondering how his beloved brand will be absorbed by the Borg.
  • Chris Baskind · 4 months ago
    No more sharecropping.
  • pxlated · 4 months ago
    Agree - Trust in yourself and what you control.
  • moobie · 4 months ago
    Bravo Dave! Well Said! :-)
  • nakedjen · 4 months ago
    That was beautiful. And it was the first thing I thought of, as well, when I heard the news: "They've screwed Scoble." It is because of him that I even know about FF or even have an account on the service.

    And it is because of you, as you know, that I have a blog.

    I have been lucky enough to sit at your dinner table, Dave, and have been blown away by the thoughtful and creative minds gathered there. Those minds know what is important, what is truly needed and how to build it and, more importantly, how to sustain it. For real.
  • sull · 4 months ago
    Hear, hear! +1
  • Felasfa Wodajo · 4 months ago
    I really have no business commenting here. I just wanted to say that for some of us the joy is watching and being immersed in the creativity and associative thinking that folks like Scoble, Winer and O'Reilly (and many others) possess and share. Tech just happens to be the medium of this time. I'm sure the same folks have been around throughout the ages.

    The majority of other folks just want to make a buck and then count them. Sometimes there is elegance and creativity there too. Usually, it's just muck. That's ok.

    phil
    @wodaj
  • Jeffrey Lee · 4 months ago
    I love Scoble's enthusiasm. It's because of him that I have tried all kinds of different web 2.0 services. Including friendfeed. But for me any of these services are tools that create conversation with the ultimate goal of directing people to your piece of the Internet (blog, site, etc). I firmly believe that you control your destiny. But I think the friendfeed guys owe some of their success to his evangelism of their service and should at least do something for the guy!
  • hardaway · 4 months ago
    Awwwwwwe. I thought he got a BlogTalkRadio interview for compensation. But now that you mention it, that's not very much for the amount of time he spent evangelizing it. Doesn't it tie in somewhere with Doc Searls' VRM movement? Shouldn't the users have some rights? Or maybe I'm just thinking about the health care situation, where users don't have rights, or the banking situation where users don't have rights, or...maybe users don't have any rights at all, and we shouldn't all rush to adopt the next best thing and make it great.
  • dsearls · 4 months ago
    Dave's right that Robert loves to evangelize. Robert also has a weakness for corporat causes. He evangelized amazingly well for Microsoft -- with little appreciation from the company. He did the same for FriendFeed, with the same outcome.

    FriendFeeds and Facebooks and Microsofts will come and and go. They can be bought and sold, because they're not human. Robert is human. Companies can't be charming and lovable. They can, sometimes, for awhile. Ben & Jerrys did. Zappos did. But they got sold. You know, like slaves.

    The only publication on Earth that's all Robert's is his blog. That's where his soul is, because he can't sell it.

    Dave's last line is also right. We're back to first principles now. Users and developers, diggin' together. Working on stuff that will survive the deaths of companies -- and of bright ideas that can't live anywhere but inside companies that own roach-motel environments that can be sold or shut down tomorrow.

    The Net is Eden. Blogging is native there. Microblogging is native there. Non-substitutable walled corporate gardens are not. Even if they can fake it for awhile.

    Accept no substitutes. That's one of the lessons.
  • sull · 4 months ago
    nice, timeless comment. :)

    and yet, it's posted on the disqus.com service. :/
  • peteaustin · 4 months ago
    Only accept if there ARE substitutes. That's a bigger lesson.
  • rosskarchner · 4 months ago
    Is that what makes Twitter "safe", the fact that what it does is replaceable, that it's "substitutable"?
  • morganb · 4 months ago
    Great point Dave. I always tell people that get wrapped up in these services, whether it's Friendster, FriendFeed or Facebook that unless you pay the bills you don't really own the content or the creativity. And it's OK if you're OK with that; but I feel bad for Scoble and the people that literally poured their lives into the service for the past two years and now it will go away. The content, the conversations, the nuggets of wisdom, the inanity, all of it will disappear. That's why I love my blog. I pay for the hosting. I keep the lights on. It's my content - I don't want anyone else with their hand on the switch.
  • bootload · 4 months ago
    "... I always tell people that get wrapped up in these services, whether it's Friendster, FriendFeed or Facebook that unless you pay the bills you don't really own the content or the creativity ..."

    FF has always given you the "right to leave" by supplying an RSS feed.
  • morganb · 4 months ago
    Good point and thanks for pointing that out. I guess I was making a broader generalization about putting your faith, time, effort and content into one place and then acting disappointed when the service doesn't act in your best interest.
  • bootload · 4 months ago
    "... I guess I was making a broader generalization about putting your faith, time, effort and content into one place and then acting disappointed when the service doesn't act in your best interest. ..."

    What you are saying has merit. Unless you own the stack from hardware, software to users this will always be a possibility.
  • Daddy-O · 4 months ago
    I don't think it was all for naught. I grew up with the "everything happens for a reason" view. I think Friendfeed was good cultivation for Scoble, Sutton, etc. Truth is they ARE usually smarter than the rest of us bumble bees. This new integration will give them a chance to be true leaders and guide the noisy populace to the promised land of social heaven.
  • Ken Kennedy · 4 months ago
    Well-spoken, Dave. I agree.
  • bootload · 4 months ago
    "... All the effort he poured into FriendFeed is for naught. They sold to Facebook. In the announcements, no mention of the users, and certainly no mention of Scoble. Now would have been the time for them to tip him, throw him a few thousand. Or if not money, how about at least a hat-tip ..."

    "Being good" [0] as a Startup, means you'll attract people to help you. I suspect the buyout from new owners might give some insight to how FB might behave in the future.

    [0] http://paulgraham.com/good.html
  • djskunkdiesel · 4 months ago
    Ouch! so true. Poor Scobe, what a douche.
  • StephenPickering · 4 months ago
    Here Here! It's a crying shame, all those ideas and energy poured into a system that just uses you for building their network and fortune. Let's use the social networks for communicating with our friends, but keep our most precious ideas in an environment we can trust, and that may reward us.
  • StephenPickering · 4 months ago
    I will add that these platforms, especially FriendFeed have taught us the value of sincere engagement, and the joy of that, and that's something we can bring back into our blogs with tools like JS-Kit Echo, and I'm sure a slew of new open source tools that will surface with HTML 5 and the like.
  • technogran · 4 months ago
    Yes, continue blogging! I have neglected my blogs of late because I'm always on twitter, or ff. We live and learn don't we? I feel sorry for Scobie and the time that he has spent 'selling' ff to most of us. I don't like any company that takes its users for granted either. Blogging forever!
  • ickledot · 4 months ago
    Great post, as always.
  • Abounding Media · 4 months ago
    What an excellent article. I must say I felt bad for Robert too. It is sad, but almost certain FriendFeed will be absorbed. Back to the basics; I like it.
  • Jeff Stannard · 4 months ago
    This is the 'putting a human face' on the situation. Walled Gardens aside, I can't wait to see what's next.
  • taylormarek · 4 months ago
    There ya go. I'll subscribe to that point! :D
  • stevezim · 4 months ago
    Dave I agree with you 100%. Well said.
  • jennybloggess · 4 months ago
    Fabulous points. Much love to sweet Robert, in his hour of need.
  • Robert Safuto · 4 months ago
    What's lost in the whole discussion about FriendFeed selling off to Facebook is the fact that it is very likely that FriendFeed had to sell to Facebook because they weren't competitive and didn't have good revenue prospects. That situation existed in spite of Scoble's freelance evangelism for the service. So I think it's wrong to attribute the sale to the hard work of Robert Scoble. Had Scoble been more successful at bringing users to the service then Friendfeed wouldn't had had to sell. This is a separate issue from the question of whether or not Scoble should have worked so hard for FriendFeed in the first place. My answer is, "No." As far as I know FriendFeed never promised Robert any monetary compensation in return for his activity on the service so they don't owe him a dime.
  • dave · 4 months ago
    I agree, FF didn't have a bright future (necessarily, I had some ideas for
    them) but how much does it cost to say "thank you?"
  • Robert Safuto · 4 months ago
    I agree. Who knows. A few years down the road the founders of FriendFeed may start something else and they'd be in a better position if their old fans felt good about how FriendFeed ended.
  • ianbetteridge · 4 months ago
    Yeah. And this time let's hope they learn that if your only hope of revenue is "sell out to someone big", you'll never build something really good.
  • robe1221 · 4 months ago
    I think this is not the end of the Social Media Mashup!
  • Mark Krynsky · 4 months ago
    Great post Dave. Words of wisdom no doubt. Sounds like we all should dust off our blogs and return to giving them the attention they deserve. I know that I plan to.
  • Mark Essel · 4 months ago
    I made some great connections to folks on friendfeed. Sure I'm upset that there aren't longevity plans, but it's great inspiration to get the open social media we all would like to see rolling.
  • marybaum · 4 months ago
    Dammit, Dave, I thought I was done tearing up about this last week. But you're right. In many ways he built FriendFeed - and I do have this sense they could give him some acknowledgment on the way out the door. Yet it was the voluntarity (I'm coining that word now.) of his endorsement that made it precisely so valuable to the people who needed it as either an incentive to check it out or validation to stay. Publicly he seems to have accepted the terms all along - he continues (seemingly innocently) on his journey to bring the rest of us the new, the growing, the cool. So we'll see him at the next cool thing he falls in love with. And as you said, in the meantime, on his blog.
  • xian · 4 months ago
    all we need is following/connection and better aggregation (contextual filters)
  • Affiliate marketing · 4 months ago
    Dave, I agree with you 100%
  • Jerimy · 4 months ago
    This is a company being sold to another company. This is business. Whoever liked, talked about and used a service is great but in the end it is just a service. The company doesn't own anyone (users) anything. Thanks.
  • John Cass · 3 months ago
    Dave, enjoyed your article. I don't think creating content on your own is for everyone, yet! But I do think that for most people who have created more than a few pages, you begin to wonder why I don't have more control and ownership of the content I do control on social networks.

    One issue though, getting involved in other social networks that are not open to the web means you get easy access to their audience. though I suppose I could argue that if you content is good enough people will reference it anyway. But participation in social networks still makes sense.

    I think that to some blogs might be passe, but in reality bloggers continue to plod along creating great content, partly because its their site.