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fredwilson — Fri, 29 May 2009 21:42:02 -0000

i'm late to the party as usual dave, but i love this. can't wait to start using it.

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dave — Fri, 29 May 2009 12:43:54 -0000

Because I want it to be a static site, not dynamic. :-)

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David Sanger — Fri, 29 May 2009 12:03:23 -0000

Why not use the unique Tweet ID as part of your URL?

Arrignton's tweet was http://twitter.com/arringto... so make the comments thread be http://twdsc.us/1945677741

Thus each tweet can spawn a unique comments thread

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dave — Fri, 29 May 2009 11:15:32 -0000

FriendFeed. It's a floor wax and a dessert topping and it'll do your taxes
too. :-)

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BillSeitz — Fri, 29 May 2009 10:43:02 -0000

Note that FriendFeed can bring in your Disqus posts as well as tweets. Which isn't the same thing as what you're suggesting, but another spin...

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sull — Fri, 29 May 2009 01:55:18 -0000

SMS is relevant and it's how it all began as logging and sharing Mobile Status Updates... but now most people are using internet access in conjunction with micro-messaging.... but SMS is still necessary when no net connection is available. and the same applies to email.... as you can send an email from your phone same as you would send an SMS (in most cases).

it's just that it is now realized that twitter and the micro-messaging phenomena does not depend on SMS. its just the mobile fallback now. most new users are using the web or desktop clients. so limiting people who are not concerned with mobile messaging limits may not make sense as this plays out. but then there is the risk of shifting away from micro-messaging and into longer form messaging (blogging?). at some point.... it may begin to not make sense anymore. especially if google rolls out real-time search... then your own blog can be just as useful as a twitter stream with some added relationship hooks.

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sull — Fri, 29 May 2009 01:45:09 -0000

the 140char limit (SMS) can always be a graceful fallback but we might see intuitive ways direct from twitter to have extended messages that can go beyond this limit... or have the first 140chars be able to transmit via SMS and the rest available on the web and client apps (optionally).

but at the same time, if you have your own site you can shift the conversation there. if you could easily embed a widget with the twitter thread then that helps to keep evereything in context. i suppose this is what google wave can tackle. twitter need not be the solution for long-form content. but they could provide such solutions if it makes sense to do so. and it might.

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sull — Fri, 29 May 2009 00:34:54 -0000

hey dave. here is what i do and at least a few others...
a year ago i created http://tweetshots.com which is a bookmarklet.
it takes a screenshot of a tweet and lets you share it elsewhere with an emphasis on tumblr integration.

so, tweetshots bookmarklet + tumblr + disqus works well for what you are interested in.
an example and entertaining site that is doing this combo is:

http://twitterhallofshame.com

or a post on my tumblr.... http://sull.outputs.it/post...
(notice links in tweet are extracted and tweetshot is clickable to tweet permalink)

i also had built an area on tweetshots.com that listed ALL tweetshots with disqus but decided not to focus on that central approach.
i also experimented with audio comments to tweets and tweet slideshows with audio for presentations.

just thought my past experiment(s) might be of interest to you since it is the "coral reef" approach as well. i also like immortalizing tweets by via screenshots and being able to see some of the users background design around the tweet. social artifacts.

cheers,

@sull

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Bas Grasmayer — Thu, 28 May 2009 18:20:16 -0000

How about FriendFeed?

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AndrewBurton — Thu, 28 May 2009 17:13:41 -0000

I thought that word for that was "Enterprise Solution."

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playerx — Thu, 28 May 2009 17:12:29 -0000

for the URL's any chance you can ditch the ".html" part, and have them be 5 characters shorter?

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Manu J — Thu, 28 May 2009 16:54:15 -0000

I don't even know how to ask the company :). But even if I knew it would be easier to ask, will you bring back/support X than "hey, what are the features dropped in new friendfeed".

The company may be aware of what features they dropped. I asked only for my awareness. I'm a friendfeed(not heavy) user but didn't notice any features being dropped. Hence the curiosity.

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dave — Thu, 28 May 2009 16:44:40 -0000

Not my place to list them. I'm sure they're aware of what features they no
longer support. Ask the company. It is their job to support their users.

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Manu J — Thu, 28 May 2009 16:38:59 -0000

Which features did FF throw out of the window ? Just curious.

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dave — Thu, 28 May 2009 16:31:51 -0000

Quite possibly.

We need a name for this kind of software.

Something big designed to satisfy a company's lust for world domination,
with absolutely no chance of achieving it.

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Micah Alpern — Thu, 28 May 2009 16:24:38 -0000

Google Wave == Groove?

Ray Ozzie must be stewing today.

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dave — Thu, 28 May 2009 15:57:25 -0000

You think I have chutzpah or they do? :-)

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jamtoday — Thu, 28 May 2009 15:37:53 -0000

#Chutzpah -- "The big announcement is Google Wave. How much you want to bet in 5 years it'll be as famous as OpenDoc is today."

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AndrewBurton — Thu, 28 May 2009 13:58:16 -0000

I think SMS won't go away for a while. Disposable phones, the $20~40 kind you get at Wal-Mart, are still locked into WAP for the web and SMS for texting. At least the little Motorola I bought last year is, I haven't got this year's model. I would think making Twitter compatible with the cheap phones kids and college students use now would lock-in (so to speak) those users a few years down the road when they have jobs and can afford better phones. That's my guess anyway.

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Michael Lewkowitz — Thu, 28 May 2009 13:34:48 -0000

That may well happen but it's a ways out. This medium is practical and
usable in the current configuration - building services on top of the
140base keeps the medium open and still fills the need for longer length
messaging.

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curtisschweitzer — Thu, 28 May 2009 12:56:43 -0000

I'm interested to see if we can't just kill off SMS as web access becomes more and more ubiquitous on phones. If your phone is just a pipe, why 140 characters? 160 characters? Why can't I write 5 GB of text if I want to? SMS is great *now*, but in the future I think its dominance is probably going to wane significantly.

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dave — Thu, 28 May 2009 12:52:57 -0000

Why would I want to "leverage" FF over Disqus?

The Disqus guys respond to every email I send them, when I hit a bug, they fix it. When I hit a limit in their system they give me a workaround. They treat me great, the FF guys -- well they ripped up the pavement a month ago and threw a bunch of features out the window, ones that I depended on. So that doesn't bode well for the future -- will they do it again?

When there's choice, and when people work to help you accomplish what you want to, you go with them.

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Charles — Thu, 28 May 2009 12:30:38 -0000

Try tinycrowd.com to send a tweet with more than 140 characters. Subject and a URL gets tweeted. The link gives the rest of your comment to the user, embed content, etc.

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Michael Lewkowitz — Thu, 28 May 2009 12:03:40 -0000

140 characters is still essential for SMS compatibility which is a core attribute of the medium and important to the global and public benefit potential. What you just did is, I think a good crack at a solution. A macro-layer that can weave around micromessages. I also think you could evolve this into real-time algae blooms... conversation clouds based on a micro-message thread that can intensify the conversation and just as easily disipate when the meomentum goes. Much less static than creating groups/discussion lists. The other key is that this does not further the fracturing of the medium and the web. These need to be openly transferrable objects.

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dsims — Thu, 28 May 2009 11:59:48 -0000

I have not found a better place to express and discover ideas (and have a conversation around them) than FriendFeed.
In fact, your tweet about Arrington already has a ton of comments on FriendFeed: http://friendfeed.com/davew...
Any particular reason why you don't want to leverage FF more?