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Scripting News: What's obvious about netbooks (Scripting News)

  • spyguy · 2 months ago
    Some reality that most people can't seem to grasp ...

    - The Atom processor operates at 1.6 GHz and is as powerful as a mid range Pentium-4 - ver nice performance indeed.

    - each core in a multicore CPU like a core-duo runs at ~1 GHz (or less in some cases!).

    - Most applications that came from the windows desktop world are NOT designed to run on multi-cores (most windows server type apps are though). As a result, multicore systems often don't use all of the cores most of the time. Some applications that came out of the Unix world (eg OpenOffice) can take advantage of multicore CPUs.

    - By adding DVD player software and a USB DVD drive, movies can play just fine, full screen.

    - the 1 GB memory size is a artificial limit set by MS - the first thing I have my clients do is buy either a 2 GB or 4 GB memory module (depending on which chipset is in the unit) and throw away the 1 GB memory module. instant performance boost.

    - There is plenty of profit margin in netbooks since all of the components cost much less than in the bigger laptops. LCD prices are based on the size - the bigger the panel, the more it costs. The Atom processor was targeted at cell phones and embedded systems so it costs much, much less than core duo, etc. The 160 GB HDD (also required by MS) is a mature, low cost design.

    The bottom line is netbooks based on the Atom chip sets are more than adequate for over 90% of the people in the world! Basically the hardware folks are so far ahead of the apps vendors that CPU specs don't make a bit of difference these days.

    Full disclosure - I used to help design Omnibook laptops and tried for years to get a low cost "student laptop" to market, but always got shot down because a low cost laptop would steal customers away from the high margin "business" laptops. That is one of the reasons it took so long to even get "consumer" laptops. Even though we knew that laptops had an average lifetime of less than 3 years, businesses were still willing to spend thousands of dollars for them. I am glad to see netbooks on the market and really encourage my clients to get them. Before netbooks I would tell my clients to not spend more than $750 for a laptop, now I tell them to not spend more than $400.
  • ds_canada_e · 2 months ago
    I am going to run my current notebook into the ground, and then my next purchase for a portable unit will be a netbook. My requirements are simple: write using Open Office, surf Web, access e-mail. If I needed to program and compile or render in 3D, then yes, a netbook would currently be a horrible choice. But I don't. And I suspect that the majority of consumers are in the same camp as me with respect to their mobile computing needs.
  • AndrewBurton · 2 months ago
    I disagree. My Eee's have both been more than suitable for programming. I've squeezed Visual Studios Express 2008 onto my 8GB, 512MB XP Eee, though I prefer using Komodo. Don't discount Eee's talent for medium lifting.
  • Ewan Leith · 2 months ago
    The other thing it could mean for Dell is that rather than lose money on each one, they just make less money on each sale of a netbook than a notebook. That seems as equally reasonable answer as losing money on each one.

    However, the idea that anything under a 14" screen is too small is totally nonsensical, the best selling Apple laptop comes with a 13" screen, and I can't imagine buying a notebook anything bigger than that anymore.
  • Steve · 2 months ago
    Netbooks: jobs too big for PDA's and too small for laptops- proof we haven't quite figured out mobile computing yet.
  • eas · 2 months ago
    And yet there are plenty of people (not just techie-types like the author of the post you are commenting on) who love their netbooks and make heavy use of them.

    Personally, I find netbooks to be a little too small and underpowered, but I realize that not everyone is like me.
  • Steve · 2 months ago
    PDA's are loaded with applets- simple programs, simple tasks while on my feet. Notebooks are for doing PC work in Starbucks. Will have to try the Netbook and see what's inbetween...
  • Abie · 2 months ago
    Netbooks are the 'network appliance' that never materialized in the 90s. If it was a good idea then, it's an even better idea now. Curiously though, the netbook enthusiast community doesn't overlap with the network appliance community as much as I thought it would.
  • piers_hollott · 2 months ago
    This discussion dovetails nicely with Anil's idea about Last Year's Model: If you buy an uber-fast desktop, in two years time, its primary functions, speed and performance, have become dated. If you buy a netbook that can run a reasonable operating system and do things at a reasonable speed, in two years time, it's primary functions, portability and durability, are unchanged. It's a sign of the times. And if you're primarily using your operating system to open a browser and catch up with people on facebook, who cares if you're using xandros or XP to do it. The technology is appropriate to the needs.

    Also, the uber-fast desktop is a personal computer, but it may be a shared resource, and a pinch point if multiple people in a household want to use it. It plays a public role. The iPhone is a personal appliance, one per customer. The netbook can be a shared or dedicated resource, much like a landline or television, at a cost that makes it feasible to invest in multiples.
  • Jordi Soler · 2 months ago
    When my iMac breaks down, I'm going to replace it with a Netbook computer. Seriously, if I can connect it to a big LED TV via wi-fi I don't think I'm going to need a desktop computer anymore. Almost everything I do nowadays is on the web, and for my pictures, videos and music I have a big external hard drive. I don't use printers.

    I could buy a Macbook, perhaps, but I prefer something that is not expensive, in case I lose it or break it.

    So yes, I think netbooks are the future.
  • Lee White · 2 months ago
    This is a pattern that has been documented. Innovative company breaks into market: is successful; gets big; complains when someone else comes out with the next innovation. If you haven't read Clayton Christensen, check out "The Innovators Dilemma".
  • Mike Cane · 2 months ago
    I don't know how you can claim the users took over. The netbook field was created out of the vision of an upstart Asian company -- Asus. Just around the same time, Palm was trying to sell people on the Foleo -- which was basically a PDA repackaged in a netbook-like casing -- for about $500-$600! As the months prior to the Asus on-sale intro dragged on, and the trumpeted US$199.00 price point was going to be missed (it doubled!), many people griped about feeling "cheated" out of their "promised" US$199.00 netbook.

    As for there being a mid-point between iPhone and netbook, check out the Archos 5 Internet Tablet. This is a seriously interesting device, once they get the software stable (it's in Archos' favor they just kicked out a firmware update this week):
    http://ebooktest.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/archo...
  • sameasiteverwas · 2 months ago
    I don't know how you can claim the users took over. The netbook field was created out of the vision of an upstart Asian company -- Asus.


    I think a better starting point would be the One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) project. They had the concept for a super-light, super-cheap "$100 laptop" long before anyone else, which got them huge buzz (and huge fights with Intel, who desperately wanted to preserve the laptop pricing controls Dave spoke of).

    The key is breaking the cartel pricing for laptops would have been impossible for a mainline OEM to do, because it was both a highly speculative and highly dangerous move -- there was no guarantee that a market for such devices was even there, and Intel and Microsoft would come down hard on anyone who tried to find out. OLPC was in a unique position to not care so much about that, so they went in where everyone else feared to tread, and demonstrated that what would eventually become the netbook market did in fact exist. Once the demand was demonstrated, Asus decided to take the risk of breaking the cartel in hopes of seizing this new market, and the rest is history.
  • dave · 2 months ago
    Actually is you look a bit deeper you'll find that Asus started out trying
    to make a OLPC computer, they offered what they came up with, and users
    decided it was a general purpose computer, not primarily for children.

    Had they stubbornly insisted on being the visionaries they would have said
    "The users are wrong, they are buying these for the wrong reasons, we need
    to educate them and tell them not to buy it." Which would have of course
    been insane.

    Instead they listened to the users and gave them what they want. This meant
    offering XP in addition to Linux and adding a hard disk, and making the
    keyboard and screen a little larger to accomodate adult hands and eyes.

    So that's how I can "clam the users took over" -- cause they did. It takes a
    company like Asus who sees themselves as servants not rulers to let the
    users run the show.
  • sameasiteverwas · 2 months ago
    Agreed, and your point speaks to a reason why OLPC became a footnote to this story -- because they insisted on ignoring the roaring buzz all around their product and not selling it to the general public (outside periodic promotional stunts like the "Get 1 Give 1" thing -- and even then they took pains to make it clear that the device they were deigning to sell us wasn't FOR us).

    The story of OLPC is a story of missed opportunities.
  • dave · 2 months ago
    But in the end who cares. We got what we wanted. And give them credit for
    getting the whole thing started, which I do in my next post (the Open Letter
    to Om).
  • GrokSurf · 2 months ago
    Here's what I would like in a netbook. Size about 5x8" maybe 1/2" thick (which I think would be large enough for a keyboard allowing use of all fingers/both hands simultaneously), weight 1.0 kg. Hinged 1024x600 display. Touchpad w/2 buttons below. Webcam facing in, photo/video cam facing out. Speakers. G3 cellphone w/bluetooth earbud, and wi/fi 803.11b/g/n. No moving parts, other than the hinged display, no cooling needed. A social browser/OS (like Flock) in solid-state memory (updatable). Additional solid-state memory for data and small apps, maybe an SD card slot for up to 60GB cards. USB3. 12 hr. battery. Price under $300. Just daydreaming.
  • rohitharsh · 2 months ago
    I still think all that a Netbook is, is a cheap portable laptop. Laptops the size of Netbooks have been available for years but would cost a ton. So I do agree that netbook is a value play. However when we start getting netbook with 2Ghz Chip with 1 to 2GB ram and Windows 7 for for $400 or less then do we still call it Netbook or Laptop?
  • hbobrien · 2 months ago
    I was saying much the same thing about the netbook's progenitor, the Toshiba Libretto, back in 1996. Ubiquity was going to be the key. Trouble is, there was a fight between the Japan design labs and the California design labs, and the product was killed through benign neglect. Yet more evidence that given a choice between control with no money, and money with no control, business tends to opt for control.

    "This means only one thing, and it's kind of obvious -- (Dell)'s losing money on each sale."

    Not necessarily, and it goes to that earlier comment. He could have his ego wrapped up in "being right," and the money is irrelevant. Ego will frequently trump money as a motivation. Heck, ego can trump sex, depending on the circumstances -- which is why shy wallflowers exist.