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So my prediction is that we are less than 12 months away from a $500 Apple computer.
Wonder if he picked up that idea during couple of weeks he spent in Cupertino getting X-Plane for iPhone ready.
I'd love to see some smaller-format and less-expensive Macs, it's amazing what you can buy on the PC side these days. Apple is once again losing ground on price.
I'm not sure it needs to be said.
Thinkin about it...
I'm *very* interested!
If you want to buy from a "name" vendor, Dell's Inspiron Mini 9 is a strong competitor to the EEE 900s.
If you want a near-full-size keyboard, Asus' EEE 1000 series will get you there for about $100-150 more than you'd pay for a similarly configured 900.
keyboard, and a hard drive. It helps to have all three.
I have a 901 and I love it. I take it everywhere. The netbooks with the 10-inch screen just look so much bigger. I think it would be more like carrying around a laptop.
I've tried the 900's, and I think I would struggle with one. Shame, because I really prefer the size. Thanks for the advice!
If you want to go on price, buy an Acer Aspire One. They're the cheapest, and apparently quite nicely built. Crap keyboard layout, but that's pretty common.
Want to mod/upgrade it? Then an ASUS Eee or the Dell Mini 9 are the best choices.
Want a decent keyboard? Then the HP Mini 1000 or the Samsung NC10 are your best bet. Nice full-sized right shift keys.
Want it to be bullet-proof? Go for an SSD. If you don't want to spend a TON then this will be a small SSD like 8GB or 16GB. If you need more space go for one with a hard disk. Windows XP itself will fit in 4-5GB or so. Linux in less.
Want long battery life? Go for a 6-cell battery. The Samsung NC10 has the best out of the box battery life of any netbooks so far. But it looks like ASUS is switching to a different "denser" battery for the Eee 901s now, so it could get interesting.
I am writing this on a two-week old Asus Eee PC 1000 (Linux, 40GB SSD). I quickly installed the Ubuntu Netbook Remix, and have been pretty happy with the results.
I have wanted an Eee since the first models, but there was always a better model around the corner. That race will probably go on for a few years, and the price of each new model always goes up. £350 was a good cut-off point for me, and like I say - no regrets so far.
I hope apple comes out with a real netbook soon
in the interim I think I'm going to bite the bullet and get the new MacBook. wish it was smaller but it has more of what I need adn it's much smaller than the MacBook Pro.
"iPhones are too locked to be netbooks"
They are open enough for me, I had no loss of software. It's true I didn't need to disturb the two servers back home, for which I would have needed Terminal.
The smartest thing Microsoft did recently is cut special deals for XP for netbooks. I don't think this would be a category if they hadn't.
Of course it's great that Linux is there, otherwise Microsoft would probably screw with us! :-)
OK, I'll stop or you'll think that I'm related to Shuttleworth...
The only thing missing form your list in the Apple MacBook Air, I believe, is low price. So what would the price point have to be for the Air to be considered a Netbook?
A reasonable usecase would be: It makes it from Berkeley to Manhattan on one battery charge. My Asus actually did that last month, with juice to spare!
The Macbook Air being small and rugged is NOT subject to question. Based on the specs at the Apple website vs. your Amazon link, the MacBook Air is about 0.6 times smaller than the Eee. It's 57 cubic inches for the Air vs. 92 cubic inches for the Eee (go ahead and average the taper if you want to do the multiplication yourself to check my math).
If you want a narrower or shallower MacBook Air you will have to say so specifically, because in the "Smaller" and "Thinner" departments the Air beats the Eee by a country mile.
The Air's unibody enclosure, the first to be machined from a single piece of aluminum, has also proven to be very rugged: http://forums.macrumors.com/printthread.php?t=4...
and they did not add a glass trackpad to the newest redesign for a reason.
The MacBook Air also has 3 extra usb connections, you just can't get to them:
http://www.maushammer.com/systems/mba/USB.html
And if you want longer battery life you can simply underclock the Air with CoolBook. Users are reporting up to 5.5 hrs of battery life on the old MacBook Airs with an SSD using CoolBook:
http://forums.macrumors.com/printthread.php?t=4...
I'm assuming that CoolBook will work even better on the new MacBook with its 45nm processor and 17Watt TDP (the old processor was 65nm and 20W TDP)
More to the point (in an attempt to give Apple some real specs to actually build to), you simply want an underclocked MacBook Air with the hidden battery and usb ports exposed. That's it, correct?
Sounds pretty easy. And guess what? I want that exact same product, and I'm willing to pay for it, so I don't care if it is expensive.
ps. if you are going to say you want a significantly smaller screen just to save half a pound, well... I just can't back you up on that decision.
Looking forward to getting it back. My MacBook Pro may actually be the last Apple machine I buy. Maybe. There's about four apps I use which are Mac/Windows only. If I can find decent Linux equivalents, then I can exorcise both Bill and Steve from my life.
I don't think price is really a defining factor, either, although the low price is part of what's attractive about the EEE 901 or Aspire One (as opposed to the Macbook Air).
I find it hard to believe that Microsoft and Apple truly see such a difference in the potential of the netbook market. Likewise, I have to believe an Apple netbook isn't too far off.
I think this points to Apple launching when it believes that it can achieve sufficient differentiation between the MacBook and an Apple netbook. Given what many people use their Macbooks for I don't think that this will be easy. One radical way of achieving this might be launch an ARM based machine - very good power consumption but much less powerful than Intel based macs.
the whole point is them being cheap and convenient, i dont see how apple can roll one out for less than 50% more than the competition, but that might ust work
Glad you picked on that remark by steve j. First i want to say that I love apple and love steve j. I have a mac mini and like it a lot. I am constantly impressed by the amount thought that went into the design. That being said I also have a acer laptop with a 14 inch screen, vista and I like it a lot. The acer cost 479 and it is not junk. It is a capable computer. It can do many things the mac cannot.
There is a huge, obvious gap in Apple's product line between 3.5" and 13" screens. I could see at least two products - a larger iPod Touch. maybe with a 7" screen, and a netbpok with a 9-10" screen. With netbook prices climbing, Apple wouldn't have to hit the $500 price point, even $600-700 wouod be OK.
I keep waiting for a small (the Air is light, not small) Apple. When they announced the Air, I bought an iPod Touch. When they announced the new Macbooks, I bought an Asus 901 (Linux version). I carry it in preference to my Macbook unless I need to do something that it just can't do. It can't do games well, but I use the iPod Touch for portable gaming. I would love to have a small OS X machine, though.
I think you will see an Apple netbook when the price of 64GB solid state drives get cheap enough (it's almost there now). Jobs is obsessed with light weight and thin, and eliminating the hard disk would help.
Yes, a Netbook conference is inevitable as is a new trade association to push it.
When Netbooks have a similar always-on Internet connection to the Kindle, the game will *really* change.
For now, I have only used a 9 inch Netbook, but based on that I'd definitely opt for a 10 inch model.
Personally I wouldn't buy one because I couldn't see wanting to run anything but Linux and doing that on a Apple would just be an expensive waste.
Make it thinner than the other netbooks. Something along the lines of the ASUS S101, or even thinner.
If its going to have that big Apple trackpad, it seems unlikely it'll be an 8.9" model. A 10-incher is probably a better choice anyway if they're not going to do both, which they obviously won't. The good news is they can do the new trackpad with no buttons, saving on vertical space, which is critical on a netbook.
Push the limits a little--edge to edge keyboard a la the HP Mini 1000. Maybe even a very thin bezel around the screen to make the screen bigger while keeping the device the same size, i.e. "a 10-inch screen in a package the size of other 9-inch netbooks". Or an 11.1 inch screen in a 10-inch package.
Increase the screen resolution? No issues with Windows limits here, so go crazy. Like 1024x768 in a 10-inch display, or 1366x768 in an 11-inch. Or something. Just more than 1024x600. At least a little more vertical.
Multi-touch gesture support. Actually a lot of netbooks already have this.
A non-plastic case. Most likely the same machined aluminum as other MacBooks, but something... carbon fiber, something.
And of course it runs OSX, and comes with Apple support and software.
An SSD drive, necessary to allow it to hit the battery life and thinness targets. By waiting they can introduce the device with an SSD that has better performance than the others.
Price is flexible, but only because its Apple. Everybody else has to be under $400 at least for 3-cell versions. I think Apple could sell this for as much as $799 or so and still find buyers, and that's not even for the most expensive version...