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Dave Realist — Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:15:49 -0000

Do you think Ge Wang agrees with you? <http: www.newsweek.com="" id="" 174266=""> I would guess he has a million reasons to disagree. Do you have a point that it is unreasonable that Apple leaves no way for people to know if their app will be acceptable till after? yes. Should your name be spelled with an "H"? yes. Whine, Whine, Whine. There are MANY people making LOTS of money writing and selling apps for the iPhone.

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PurpleHaze23 — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 12:29:14 -0000

"That's the most powerful kind of platform there is because it is the least regulated" Wouldn't it be great if this applied to society too? Generally!

Teach people to live without control, instead of helping them to be controlled!

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maxiou — Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:55:23 -0000

I totally agree with you !

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Moschops — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:47:10 -0000

Loved your comment "Thirteen years ago I wrote a piece entitled What is a Platform? Perhaps it should be amended to say that if you need the approval of the platform vendor to ship an app, then it isn't a platform."

I agree, it's not a platform it's a vehicle, a vehicle for Apple - with a sign "driver reserves right to remove anyone from vehicle at any time for any reason", and judging by their non-responsiveness to emails probably another saying " do not talk to driver while vehicle is in motion".

If you start looking at the licensing restrictions on compatible hardware they are attempting to enforce via patent law you'll note the same kind of tactics. Remarkably Windows Mobile has none of this kind of issue - you can write anything you want for their phones, build any kind of hardware device to plug it into and they just work - all without detriment to phones and the precious (must have precious!) carrier networks. Funny that... So in this case I have to side with the anti-Apple folks here who are crying anti-trust!

There's an old saying, so old it's quoted in Latin - "Caveat emptor!" - meaning "Buyer beware", sounds like it is still as true today as when it was coined.

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Apple - the digital Nazis — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:13:36 -0000

android ....the death of iPhone

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Alex — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:20:42 -0000

Android. :)

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Andy — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:21:06 -0000

develop a game Dave

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Alex — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:35:10 -0000

It's good decision. It can be fatal error for Apple iPhone as platform.

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Marty — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:27:36 -0000

Apple will always be a marginal player because of exactly that. there are 1000 apps on jailbroken iPhone, maybe more. at least 10 of them are absolutely world class, much better than Apple can ever create. That's life - no one company can have all the best creative mind under their wings. Look at Microsoft - they have all the money in the world to buy the best minds, and all they can make is 'Vista. Same is true for Apple. They have no monopoly on thinking abilities.

Just look at the Android from Google and the top 10 apps for it - hopefully t-mobile will really release that first phone next month as the rumor goes so we can actually see it - that were not only was encouraged by Google to write to the platform, Heck, Google dolled out $300,000 to each of the top 10 and $125,000 to each of the next 10 and so on.

Google will win the phone O/S was because their brain is in the right place: between their ears. Apple created the iPod. Great. Now it is iPod on the iPhone. what is great about that? it is a phone, it is a connected device, do something useful with this fact... Apple didn't so a couple of guys did it for them on a software named TuneWiki. Is it on the App store? no. Does people want it? sure do, the guys claim a million iPhone users only on jailbroken phones. Is that the demise of TuneWiki? no. they won $300,000 from Google, and you can bet your hat that it will be on the Google phone. Will the TuneWiki guys wait for the Apple wind to blow their way? well, they are already on the 3G jailbroken iPhones - but let me guess: Apple don't want a competitor to the iPod even when on the connected device TuneWiki runs circles around them.

Too bad. Apple created the personal computer. they are a marginal player now. Apple created the first mega hit music player. They are leveling off and Sansa is cheaper and Zune has a radio and it is not half as bad as it was. Apple created this new market that 'it is OK to have music on the phone'. they will top off and will always be a marginal player of the 3 billion cell phone market.

There is an excellent Newsweek article about their untamed arrogance. walk to their store. arrogance. Try to get a question asked. Arrogance. they behave like the consumer is an annoyance. Apple is on eof the most innovative companies in the history of man kind and the most arrogant. Their anti trust practices are worst than Microsoft ever was. They are chocking innovation by others, they empower a robbery of a cell phone bills. I wish them well but I will buy Android phone when it is out.

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Kontra — Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:10:19 -0000

"Some developers demand Apple try to communicate better, lest they assume the worst of the platform vendor. While that sounds plenty reasonable at face value, given the curatorial demands on the fledgling state of the App Store platform and Apple's overall reliance on product-plan secrecy, we shouldn't realistically expect Apple to 'open up' anytime soon," as I explain in:

Resolved: Apple is right to curate the App Store
http://counternotions.com/2...

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Jason Clarke — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:39:26 -0000

I see a small difference, but I guess I just don't understand why developers feel they have a right to have their apps approved by Apple. I'm sure it's frustrating to work hard on a product that gets rejected for seemingly silly reasons, but dem's da berries. It's Apple's platform (just like it's Walmart's store), so it makes the rules.

And if developers aren't happy with Apple, they are free to move on and develop for Android or Palm or Windows Mobile. ... just like my product rejected at Walmart could be pitched to Kmart or Target.

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Sol Young — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:09:32 -0000

I wrote that not building an application for Twitter XMPP was an extremely wise decision. I only mentioned that Apple brings up the issue again.

As for taking a moment to validate whether an app will be worthwhile or allowed on a platform before investing time and money... It's fool hardy to recommend diving in without analysis.

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K2 — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:21:26 -0000

I think someone should make a wiki or something that lists the developers who are against Apple's policies. When the list is long enough, perhaps the main stream media will catch on. Right now the problem is only known by bloggers and Reddit-readers...

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Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:15:47 -0000

Don't forget Symbian (and also Java)

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Brau — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:15:21 -0000

I couldn't agree more with this article. I bought an iPhone on the promise that it would be an open platform and find their recent actions very distressing. When you add in that Apple apps enjoy access to the APIs and connector dock while third party are denied that same access, the future of the iPhone as a truly open platform is beginning to look pretty dim.

1. The "I am rich" app clearly stated what is was and was not misleading but Apple pulled it simply to save face as it was a political stab at them.
2. The "Pull my finger" app had a ton more utility than "Bubbles" or "Bubble Wrap" and was pulled simply because Apple was concerned about their image.
3. Denying "Podcaster" is the worst of all though because it is blatant anti-competition. If I were MicroSoft, I'd get busy funding a WMP for the iPhone, wait for Apple to deny it, sue Apple for anti-trust, and let the bad press do it's work.

When Apple introduced the iPhone, a developer from the audience asked if it will have a VOIP app and Steve Jobs tersely replied "Write one!" Now we see Apple won't approve VOIP apps. For those like me who bought an iPhone for the promise of being able to use VOIP, well, I can't begin to express my disappointment and I certainly won't buy another one.

Apple is going down a road here that may well see them going down in history as the only company to have the world at their feet three times (original Macintosh, iPod, iPhone) and ultimately blow it.

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Tony Agudo — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:25:40 -0000

@James Katt:
"The app store needs to be a compelling experience for the consumer - first and foremost - not the developer - though that is arguably present as well."

When an app comes out that does something that Apple's competing app doesn't do or does it better, and Apple rejects that, is that really providing a compelling experience? Or flat out blocking other compelling experiences except Apple's? That's the heart of the problem.

"Not every developer has problems with the App Store approval process like the few you cite."

Not yet, but the list does seem to be getting bigger, and Apple is leaving these folks with some fairly lousy alternatives(web apps, ad hoc, jailbreaking) other than abandoning the iPhone for real, less restrictive platforms.

"All you have to look it is how many developers are developing applications for the platform, how successful the platform is, and you cannot deny that the iPhone is a platform."

Let's accept your criterion for a platform here. Here you have a platform that requires approval for an application to be installed on more than 100 devices, and can be rejected on grounds of uselessness or bad taste at best, and for direct competition at worst. If I were to call it a platform, it would be prepended with the adjective "authoritarian".

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Tony Agudo — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:57:23 -0000

I totally agree with Dave on this. Up until Podcaster got rejected, most rejected apps that got media attention seemed fairly useless(I am Rich, Pull my finger, etc) and Apple just comes off as an arbiter of good taste. Now Apple has come out as a blocker of competition. Sure, there is the ad hoc distribution method, but Apple has made sure that competitive apps won't reach anyone beyond 100 users with ad hoc.

Developers could go the jailbroken route, but Apple keeps trying to thwart that as well with their updates. The best route to go is to develop web apps when possible, or just forget the iPhone and develop on a real open platform like Android, OpenMoko, or if you don't mind proprietary platforms Windows Mobile.

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James Katt — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:21:07 -0000

For the consumer, I believe the iPhone is a very reliable and high quality platform. Thus the title of your article is highly misleading.

No every developer has problems with the App Store approval process like the few you cite.

Apple does need subjective criteria for approving apps - in addition to the general criteria it specified. This is to allow flexibility. The app store needs to be a compelling experience for the consumer - first and foremost - not the developer - though that is arguably present as well. Thus apps in good taste, that won't water down the iPhone experience can be a subjective criteria - resulting in a flexibility Apple needs to maintain its image and the quality of the consumer experience.

Of course the iPhone is a platform - despite your very arbitrary criterion that the platform vendor should have no control over the platform in approving an application. All you have to look it is how many developers are developing applications for the platform, how successful the platform is, and you cannot deny that the iPhone is a platform.

The iPhone platform is currently THE most successful mobile application platform in the world. It sells more applications in a month than all of the cellphone companies put together. It will soon be a billion dollar a year - or more - marketplace for applications.

The Internet IS REGULATED. You just don't see it. For example, many videos are formatted using Microsoft's Windows Media format. They cannot be played on every browser. Many companies use Microsoft's .asp HTML generators - which discriminate against 3rd party browsers by giving them defective HTML - thus generating good HTML code only for Microsoft's own browers and some others.

Your words "least regulated" is a telling point. The fact that the Internet IS REGULATED by your remark means that the Internet IS NOT a platform, by your own words.

Your article should be titled "iPhone Application Approval Process is Unreliable". This is much more true to the mark than your highly misleading original title.

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digiprod — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:14:32 -0000

I am afraid I have to agree with all that Dave says in this post. Apple should only decline apps that damage the iPhone or network. They should stay clear of declining apps for other reasons. Sure, they well within their rights legally to decline and app as the iPhone is THEIR platform. But the result will be the best developers will skip the iPhone and concentrate their efforts in other places. How does help Apple or iPhone users?

Competition is a good thing for users, Apple and developers if it is a level playing field.

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Katrina K — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:09:35 -0000

Sorry to negate your entire thesis, but you could contact Apple with the premise of your project first. You might not get a signed contract but they'd probably be happy to tell you they won't reject your to-do list because of replication of iTunes functionality.

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QIN Feng — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:29:21 -0000

I'm not a iPhone user and wondering if there is any other unofficial way we could distribute App on Iphone?

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toto — Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:12:02 -0000

I do not see the surprise: You are a software developer, selling through a closed distribution structure.

I prefer to be a web developer who master the whole distribution to the final customer... Applications for the web in a mobile format are cool and you develop once for all the mobile phones...