I really have no idea what they would do with the other-I mean other than cross promote. And don't get me started on twitter...YOU need to sit down with @ev and @biz or start your own twitter like ap-then we can all yak about politics and otherwise without hiccup
A3PixitesMunier
· 1 year ago
deaf leading the blind; dead is an assumption
Jeremy Vaught
· 1 year ago
haha, Twitter acquire Yahoo, classic :-)
Overall I think you are right though... dead leading the blind.
rox
· 1 year ago
As a flickr user, I may have to run away from home! Can flickr emancipate itself if these two dysfunctional "adults" arrange a marriage of convenience?
Diego
· 1 year ago
Next only "bought" Apple because of the tremendous force called "Steve Jobs". Yahoo has not such thing.
Mike
· 1 year ago
You guys completey missed the real issues behind the story becuase you just want to talk about things you find cool like Twitter.
The real question is: Can Google compete with Microsoft's ad network and Yahoo's Search engine? Clearly the answer is no.
Google has aquired a few tiny companies that produce no real revenue, while Microsoft has been eating away at its core money maker, ads. This equals signifigant losses or maybe even death for Google.
lemonobrien
· 1 year ago
I think mickysoft is going to crush google cause google has done nothing but hire retards en mass; and has no direction. they're being surrounded; and the only business they have that makes money is search, and that is in decline, while mickysoft still rules the desktop.
Stanley_Krute
· 1 year ago
Search is not easy. MS and Yahoo search continues to be less good than Google search. Growing a larger org. won't make search easier/better. Search is Google's strategic franchise, and MS/Yahoo culture is not well-positioned to overtake them.
Solo500
· 1 year ago
Aside from business considerations, Yahoo largely has a big usability advantage. MS specializes in the ugly stick. Not only ugly on the surface, ugly where it counts, that is their shit is designed by engineers for, who knows, other engineers.
I would love to be proven wrong by a more mature MS, whether it is led by Ray Ozzie or whoever. But anyone who remembers when the independent Hotmail was actually usable can see what this change will likely (with a high degree of probability) lead to.
Oh, and who knows how crummy Flickr could get?
In this case, I am hoping that MS surprises with sensible design practices. But I am not betting on it.
Krista Neher
· 1 year ago
I literally laughed out loud when I read "The dead leading the blind".
Microsoft certainly doesn't have the best track record in acquisitions (ie. Hotmail, Driveoff.com) and doesn't appear to be very in tune with what its users really want (ie. Vista, most of the MSN sites?).
On a positive note (since nobody else seems to be) there is potential for synergies from leveraging Yahoo! web services with Microsoft capabilities in desktop and at home media. (Apologies for Buzzword overkill).
Also, in case you forgot to celebrate, Vista celebrated its 1 year anniversary on Jan 30.
tghfbt
· 1 year ago
Dave,
You forget one little thing. Google doesn't own it's business model. Yahoo has patent throw acquisition of some company. So when MS will get it's hands on it things would get interesting...
Harl Delos
· 1 year ago
What's the patent number?
It's not that I question your assertion; it's just that I'd like to read the patent.
I guess I do question your assertion after all. That article indicates that Google DOES own its business model; it licensed that patent four years ago. Google gave Yahoo $300 million in shares which not only covered the license but also resolved an old dispute over stock warrants.
Although that patent doesn't really challenge Google's business model. Yahoo could have gotten many billions, if Google's entire business model could have been held hostage.
That patent is for using an auction to determine the *position* of paid results in a search engine. Google could get around that patent simply by using an auction to determine whose ads gets displayed, but not the order in which they are displayed.
Furthermore, that patent would appear to be unenforceable. Radio stations have sold advertising on an auction basis for decades; the idea of selling advertising online the same way would be obvious to anyone involved in advertising. A patent which covers something obvious (to people experienced in the field it covers) will not be upheld in court. Furthermore, Overture filed a defective application for the patent. As prior art, they give patent 5704560, which is a "concrete crusher with cutting shears". They probably meant 5704060, which is "text storage and retrieval system".
If Google had fought in court and won, Google's competitors would feel free to clone that sales mechanism. By licensing it, they avoid legal expenses, and leave a burden in the path of competitors.
tghfbt
· 1 year ago
and what is terms of "license"? They license but didn't bought. I'm sure M$ will make a something out of it.
yahmic
· 1 year ago
Its going to be YAHMIC!!!
Robert Roehm
· 1 year ago
I just hope it doesn't happen, they'd cut Yahoo down, merging Yahoo Messenger into MSN Messenger. They'd also be forcing all Yahoo Groups to convert to MSN Groups, and sell off all adults-only Yahoo Groups to the ever-expensive $20-a-month-per-group, -per-user Worldgroups service. With so many people leav ing the service for their own Livejounals and Myspaces, Microsoft wouldn't have to worry about needing bandwidth for the groups.
Yahoo would work better with a media provider, yes, like Twitter.
Curt Monash
· 1 year ago
I think the opportunity for synergy and technical advancement is being way underestimated here. Better Twitter -- like what you and I discussed -- is just one part of one of the 19 opportunities I cited in http://www.texttechnologies.com/2008/02/03/micr... .
Best,
CAM
steph
· 1 year ago
yes, i also think that yahoo should accept microsofts offer. its gonna be an interessting expansion for both parts. in my opinion this makes sense.
steph
· 1 year ago
yes, i absolutely think that yahoo should accept microsofts offer. this would be a successful combination. in my opinion this expansion makes really sense.
xplod
· 1 year ago
i nedd a miracle
breck
· 1 year ago
It's a very good idea for microsoft and yahoo to become one. Google's "Do No Evil" motto is in the past. Today Google is a public company and the main goal is to make money and that was the turning point for Google. A healthy competition is needed, google's search result have degraded rapidly over the past 2 years and it's just getting worse. The big question is: CAN MICROSOFT DO IT? or is the purchase yahoo going to be just another write-off.
I think is a bad idea, microsoft + Yahoo will not be a problem to google, because microsoft only focus in the money that they can make, and not in user experience, Google is more friendship with people.
Each one has some special, Yahoo! services, Microsoft MSN and Google their search engine, the problem is microsoft that can make new things always copy others, they have money but not good ideas, look Facebook, Microsoft already had millions of user but never thought create a social comunity or gruops.
Microsoft has to focus in his original bussines, make a real, good and powerful Operation System, not make games and mp3 players or that garbege call Vista
Ravindranath Akila
· 1 year ago
Since this article turrned up quite high on google, I might as well put add a wise comment. Yahoo was always Pretty and nice. Google was always fast. Microsoft always cut the options. Example: They took ages to increase capacity of their mail box. Google always tried to do something special and in an outstanding way. Fro example, Labels in Gmail. Yahoo + Google would bring beauty to google and intelligence to yahoo. Yahoo + Mocrosoft would be like a pretty lady pawned at a pawnbroker! -Ravindranath Akila...
gabriel
· 1 year ago
Yahoo + Microsoft = YahMic! but not just yet.
hhhh
· 1 year ago
Yahoo and microsoft together can work more efficiently. yahoo can provide new services to it's mail users. So it is a good proposal for yahoo to make colaberation with microsoft.
MS
· 1 year ago
Since upgrading to MS Vista, my activation status reflect's this "Owned (by MS). I am glad that Yahoo has the common decency to refuse total domination by MS (even if they do, I have to admit make half decent O'S.s - XP for example).
Big J
· 1 year ago
Well, microsoft have desktop expertise and Yahoo second largest player in the internet though way behind google buit I guess together Microsoft and Yahoo can come up with some great innovations that could outshine google from all the market squares
anony
· 1 year ago
Hei, What google is giving to people except search.But MS gives nice experience to people by providing UI experience
Jason
· 1 year ago
For that amount of money, Microsoft should look into innovative alternatives. Although, I will have to say I am impressed with Microsoft's business tactics.
All Comments
Overall I think you are right though... dead leading the blind.
The real question is: Can Google compete with Microsoft's ad network and Yahoo's Search engine?
Clearly the answer is no.
Google has aquired a few tiny companies that produce no real revenue, while Microsoft has been eating away at its core money maker, ads. This equals signifigant losses or maybe even death for Google.
I would love to be proven wrong by a more mature MS, whether it is led by Ray Ozzie or whoever. But anyone who remembers when the independent Hotmail was actually usable can see what this change will likely (with a high degree of probability) lead to.
Oh, and who knows how crummy Flickr could get?
In this case, I am hoping that MS surprises with sensible design practices. But I am not betting on it.
Microsoft certainly doesn't have the best track record in acquisitions (ie. Hotmail, Driveoff.com) and doesn't appear to be very in tune with what its users really want (ie. Vista, most of the MSN sites?).
On a positive note (since nobody else seems to be) there is potential for synergies from leveraging Yahoo! web services with Microsoft capabilities in desktop and at home media. (Apologies for Buzzword overkill).
Also, in case you forgot to celebrate, Vista celebrated its 1 year anniversary on Jan 30.
You forget one little thing.
Google doesn't own it's business model. Yahoo has patent throw acquisition of some company.
So when MS will get it's hands on it things would get interesting...
It's not that I question your assertion; it's just that I'd like to read the patent.
http://searchenginewatch.com/showPage.html?page...
Although that patent doesn't really challenge Google's business model. Yahoo could have gotten many billions, if Google's entire business model could have been held hostage.
That patent is for using an auction to determine the *position* of paid results in a search engine. Google could get around that patent simply by using an auction to determine whose ads gets displayed, but not the order in which they are displayed.
Furthermore, that patent would appear to be unenforceable. Radio stations have sold advertising on an auction basis for decades; the idea of selling advertising online the same way would be obvious to anyone involved in advertising. A patent which covers something obvious (to people experienced in the field it covers) will not be upheld in court. Furthermore, Overture filed a defective application for the patent. As prior art, they give patent 5704560, which is a "concrete crusher with cutting shears". They probably meant 5704060, which is "text storage and retrieval system".
If Google had fought in court and won, Google's competitors would feel free to clone that sales mechanism. By licensing it, they avoid legal expenses, and leave a burden in the path of competitors.
I'm sure M$ will make a something out of it.
Yahoo would work better with a media provider, yes, like Twitter.
Best,
CAM
in my opinion this expansion makes really sense.
Each one has some special, Yahoo! services, Microsoft MSN and Google their search engine, the problem is microsoft that can make new things always copy others, they have money but not good ideas, look Facebook, Microsoft already had millions of user but never thought create a social comunity or gruops.
Microsoft has to focus in his original bussines, make a real, good and powerful Operation System, not make games and mp3 players or that garbege call Vista
-Ravindranath Akila...
I am glad that Yahoo has the common decency to refuse total domination by MS (even if they do, I have to admit make half decent O'S.s - XP for example).
What google is giving to people except search.But MS gives nice experience to people by providing UI experience